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How Educated Are You?

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Which Option Best Describes your Level of Education?

PhD
10
6%
Masters
17
10%
Bachelors
29
18%
At University
39
24%
Some University (think: Steve Jobs)
13
8%
Technical Qualification
7
4%
Secondary/High School Qualification
16
10%
Some Secondary/High School
0
No votes
At Secondary/High School
22
13%
Other
10
6%
 
Total votes : 163

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How Educated Are You?

Postby Forsher » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:18 am

Hi, I'm Forsher, you might remember from various previous versions of this thread. Because I want to maximise your deja vu, I've even stolen the poll options! And the explanation for how to vote:

How to Vote in the Poll: Select poll option that you have finished. If you're still at college/high/secondary school you are in the "at high/secondary school" option. High/Secondary school indicates that you have finished with some form of secondary school qualification, e.g. some GCSEs, NCEA Level 1, a GED. Some High/Secondary school means you have been to high/secondary school but received no qualification from it.

I do have one addition, though... if you have an Associate's Degree it's either an "other" or "technical qualification" depending on how you see it. Just for clarity. (Also, I should reorder these... I was talking to an Education Masters the other week and they reckoned apprenticeships should be higher up in this than they are. As it stands the poll ordering implies a elitist/university = best ranking.)

EDIT: a second addition. This may help Americans trying to decide where to place their qualifications. I say may since it seems to deal only with degrees.

I'm technically an other. You see, I technically have what's called a Post-Graduate Diploma (in statistics) but I haven't bothered graduating with it yet so officially I don't have that. It's basically like taking an extra year to study harder courses. I didn't do very well at it, actually. Which you'd think would explain why I'm doing a master's now (not in statistics) except that was the plan back when I thought the PGDip would be a doddle.

But we need a topic for discussion, right? And I'm going with: is education investment in human capital or signalling? That is, does it make you smarter/better/more productive/more intelligent/etc. or is it more that it shows other people that you're one of those things relative to people who have worse qualifications than you? If that doesn't make sense, try this article out for size. (Alternative reading I haven't read.)

My inclination is that there's a huge difference between people who've forgotten [concept] and people who are learning it for the first time. Which is to say, education is investment. And, sure, sometimes all it does is expand minds through exposure to new ideas... which doesn't require a qualification (hell, I couldn't tell you where my degrees are physically beyond "the garage") but there's a reason coherent programmes of study exist: otherwise you end up... well, either you know the threads I'm thinking about or you don't, needless to say everyone with a formal education in the subject disagrees strongly with the poster.

Oh, by the way, if you're sitting there thinking "I'm self taught and I'm just as smart as..." you're probably wrong. Sure, you might be a genius, but what do you think university lecturers/PhDs actually are? The research they do is self-learning... the difference is that it's evaluated and checked. And, yeah, lecturers are often horrible teachers (generally lacking training in the field), but that just implies that when they create a syllabus they're providing an overview of the subject/field rather than a structure conducive to student learning. (Solution: find the syllabi and self-teach yourself using them as a structure, amirite?)

So, what about you NSG? How educated are you? And are the poll options really measuring that? Or are they just normative structures created by the Man to keep the free thinkers down?
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Postby Page » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:17 am

I have a Bachelor's in Public Policy and Administration but I never ended up finding relevant work in this field, then I moved to another country where this very America-specific degree isn't all that useful but that's just how life goes.

I didn't actually finish high school though, when I turned 16 I decided to just quit and take the GED test because I was sick of it.

I am all for education but I find it sad that there is so much pressure to go to college because it's really not for everyone, which is a symptom of capitalism.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:25 am

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Postby Flaxxony » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:26 am

Undergraduate level degree in Chemical Engineering. And I am totally content with that level of education.

I am personally of the opinion that, after a certain point, "educated" doesn't mean much. I care more if someone is reasonable, savvy, etc. I have met "educated" people that don't know how to think for themselves. Medical doctors can be some of the worst offenders in my experience, missing the forest for the trees constantly.

Also, sometimes being "overeducated" can work against you. I know so many engineers that have got their PhD and regret it. Your career options get narrowed around your speciality, you can price yourself out of entry-level positions, you lose prime wage-earning years, etc.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:43 am

To answer the question, I see nothing wrong with college educated plumbers; but I think the elitist disrespect for manual labor is the problem.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:43 am

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Postby Heloin » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:45 am

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Everyone who can really should try to get a higher education, but it really shouldn't be a problem if someone doesn't have one.
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Postby Emulation White » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:51 am

GED at 16, 10 years later now at 26, I plan on entering higher education for the first time with the long term goal of a PhD in Robotics. I'm in favor of formal education and its benefit but GOSH I hate the structure of American schooling. Too system-like, rigid, apathetic to student's personal lives, ineffective, the list goes on...
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Postby Treadwellia » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:57 am

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Postby Totenborg » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:23 am

Ethel mermania wrote:To answer the question, I see nothing wrong with college educated plumbers; but I think the elitist disrespect for manual labor is the problem.

Hey, I have a college degree, but work as an HVAC tech. It happens, and it's not even all bad sometimes. I actually like what I do now way more than the field in which I got a degree.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:55 am

Risottia wrote:I teach maths, physics and IT at a high school. Guess my academic degree.


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Risottia wrote:I teach maths, physics and IT at a high school. Guess my academic degree.

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Risottia wrote:I teach maths, physics and IT at a high school. Guess my academic degree.


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