Breathing while black is still a serious offence.

[Jetan]

Jesus Christ, how does this keep happening in the US? Is this a matter of trigger discipline or what?

Inadequate screening and training for the police, and massive gun ownership among the populace. Combined, those things lead to trigger happy cops.

[The Batorys]

Can’t exactly rely on the police to protect you from criminals already.

So then we're fucked? If I have to choose between the police and street vigilantes, then i'm just moving into a bunker. We can't just devolve into absolute chaos, and at the police are at least nominally bound to the law.

The police are just the only legalized gang.

[Estanglia]

When all you do is point out the negatives, it's easy to portray something as useless.

Cars kill people.
They cause pollution.
They cause traffic jams.

What are they useful for?



Those things.

Call it whatever you want, but an organisation that does those things is effectively a police force under a different name.

And if you think a name change will solve the problems with the police, don't hold your breath.



So specialised police forces.



Monaco, Singapore, Vatican City.

The only three sovereign city-states aren't at war. Because, shocker, city-states typically can't fight other non-city-state states because they would be massively outnumbered, and they're far enough apart that they can't war with each other.



So, there's no difference between your totally-not-just-specialised-police crowd control organisation, and a specialised police unit exclusively to deal with crowd control.

I didn't point out negatives, I pointed out things that dismiss legitimacy.

So negatives.

The police force is more than just a group of people who do things. There's an entire culture, that needs dismantling.

Then dismantle the culture.

It's odd that your complaint against police is culture but your solution is privatisation. Why would private police forces not suffer from these same problems?

Each of those city states has a police force, as do most non "city state" cities, which is a form of warfare against peaceful people.

You seriously believe police are a form of warfare against peaceful people? May I remind you that violent criminals (you know, people who the police have to arrest?) aren't peaceful?

And no, it's not warfare. If it was, every country would be in a constant state of civil war.

And things outside cities exist. Like police forces outside of cities.

The same way crowd control at concerts work. As harm minimization, Without the authority of a state.

Criminal investigation as a on contract civil service. Without the authority of a state.

If they don't have the authority of a state, where does their authority come from?

There's a world of difference, you just want to be violent towards peaceful people.

Ah yes, the police's only job is to be violent towards peaceful people.

Nice to know you're in the business of assuming the worst about the people you argue against.

[West Leas Oros 2]

So then we're fucked? If I have to choose between the police and street vigilantes, then i'm just moving into a bunker. We can't just devolve into absolute chaos, and at the police are at least nominally bound to the law.

The police are just the only legalized gang.

Yeah, but what choice do we have if I can either pick the police as my street gang, or I can pick normal street gangs? I'd rather not have any street gangs, but that's apparently not an option.

[Phoenicaea]

^as ‘watchmen’ said through Juvenalis: pone seram, cohibe*! sed quis custiodiet ipsos custodes? cauta est, et ab illis incipit uxor. *fortified holding

[Rojava Free State]

The police are just the only legalized gang.

Yeah, but what choice do we have if I can either pick the police as my street gang, or I can pick normal street gangs? I'd rather not have any street gangs, but that's apparently not an option.

At least the normal street gangs can be prosecuted. Put a cop on trial and it's like judicial immunity sets in. Remember the guy who shot LaQuan McDonald? He shot a man in the back 13 times and killed him and the judge gave him like 5 years with the possibility of parole. I'm pretty sure if I shot a man in the back 13 times, I would not be handed the same exact sentence, so as I said before, the police are worse than any street gang in my mind

[West Leas Oros 2]

Yeah, but what choice do we have if I can either pick the police as my street gang, or I can pick normal street gangs? I'd rather not have any street gangs, but that's apparently not an option.

At least the normal street gangs can be prosecuted. Put a cop on trial and it's like judicial immunity sets in. Remember the guy who shot LaQuan McDonald? He shot a man in the back 13 times and killed him and the judge gave him like 5 years with the possibility of parole. I'm pretty sure if I shot a man in the back 13 times, I would not be handed the same exact sentence, so as I said before, the police are worse than any street gang in my mind

Yeah, but i'd rather not settle for the lesser of two evils. Is it too much to ask for law enforcement to, well... uphold the law?

[Rojava Free State]

At least the normal street gangs can be prosecuted. Put a cop on trial and it's like judicial immunity sets in. Remember the guy who shot LaQuan McDonald? He shot a man in the back 13 times and killed him and the judge gave him like 5 years with the possibility of parole. I'm pretty sure if I shot a man in the back 13 times, I would not be handed the same exact sentence, so as I said before, the police are worse than any street gang in my mind

Yeah, but i'd rather not settle for the lesser of two evils. Is it too much to ask for law enforcement to, well... uphold the law?

I'm not settling for a lesser evil either. CLearly in at least a few countries, police are held accountable. Not in ours though. We let police act like the criminals they're supposed to be chasing. Somethings gotta change