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What do you do?

1. There IS a moral duty to destroy myself (for the good of humanity). I would destroy myself to protect the innocent.
3
15%
2. There IS a moral duty to destroy myself but I do not have the strength to carry it out, I will continue to live (wrongfully) but I will try my best to use my powers for "good." (hunting down criminals or establishing a new kingdom)
5
25%
3. There is NO moral duty to destroy myself because I have no responsibility over my actions (it's just vampire biology) and everyone has a right to life, I will continue to live, be a witness to history, and use my powers for "good." (hunting down criminals or establishing a new kingdom)
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Total votes : 20

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:29 am

Please consider the following hypothetical:

You are a young wealthy noblewoman living in the countryside. You are peaceful and whimsical and you keep cheerful.

A very powerful and very vicious gang preys on the people.

One day while you're travelling around in a carriage (and admire your surroundings while singing)... your carriage is suddenly stopped by a small army of gang members (over a dozen of them).

Your guards were supposed to protect you but they run away after being threatened by the mob. They decide "you know what, this isn't worth it."

You attempt to buy off the gang members but this only serves to antagonise them because they are less interested in being rich themselves than in destroying the rich to make a political statement. In fact, they are offended that you would "patronise" them in this way.

As you scream out for mercy and help... the gang attacks you, and quite violently assaults, batters and kills you. There are many bystanders but they do absolutely nothing, some of them even watch from a distance.

...

As a result of a magical red ruby necklace that you were wearing being combined with your noble and pure blood and the power of a rare "crimson sun" (an occult event once every century), you are resurrected as a vampire.

In this new form, you have super speed, super strength, enhanced senses, and limited feats of telekinesis and pyrokinesis. However, you are cursed to have an eternal thirst for human blood and to have an insatiable urge not just for human blood, but to kill for human blood. Sunlight will destroy you instantly.

When you return to your mansion, you find that it has been burned down by the gang (who have started a revolution against the decaying feudal society) and that they have murdered everyone inside it, including all the servants and what's left of your household.

You are filled with rage and you decide to take revenge.

As a vampire, you go around and stalk and kill the members of the gang. Every night, you target the gang members one by one.

The gang soon realises that something dark and sinister is hunting them and they decide to look for a reanimated corpse. The gang figures out who you are and try to find your resting place and burn your corpse during the day but you have allies who move you around the town during daylight hours to evade them.

You are eventually able to destroy the gang and achieve your revenge.

However, you find that revenge has not brought you the peace that you thought it would bring.

At this point you realise that you have become a threat to humankind because of your insatiable urge to kill for human blood. However, your survival instincts are up and you may not have the strength to end your existence.

You also question whether or not there is a moral duty to end your existence given your threat to humanity.

There is also the possibility of using your powers for "good" and act as a sort of vampiric vigilante.

Please discuss what you would do and provide a moral justification. Remember, you have an urge for human blood that is tied to the act of murder, it can never be satiated to any acceptable degree unless you're actively killing... so as long as you exist, you are a literal danger to bystanders.

Your options:

1. There IS a moral duty to destroy myself (for the good of humanity). I would destroy myself to protect the innocent.
2. There IS a moral duty to destroy myself but I do not have the strength to carry it out, I will continue to live (wrongfully) but I will try my best to use my powers for "good."
3. There is NO moral duty to destroy myself because I have no responsibility over my actions (it's just vampire biology) and everyone has a right to life, I will continue to live, be a witness to history, and use my powers for "good."

Please justify.

Please talk about the moral justification for your choice. Feel free to invoke the law, ethics, economics, or anything else you feel is relevant to a complete analysis.

I think I would probably go with Option 2. I think that rationally there is a duty to destroy myself in this hypothetical but I will lack the strength to do it. It is possible that over the centuries my mindset might eventually turn to 3 but for a few centuries, I will probably be a brooding, miserable, self-loathing vampire.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:33 am

Why can't I just kill them all? Watching all the panic sounds fun.
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Postby Heloin » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:34 am

I feed my lust for blood by becoming a counting vampire. One dead gangster, two dead gangsters, three dead gangsters! Ha Ha Ha!
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Postby The Fascist Undead » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:35 am

I would use my powers to become a powerful overlord and enslave Humanality.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:35 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:Please consider the following hypothetical:

You are a young wealthy noblewoman living in the countryside. You are peaceful and whimsical and you keep cheerful.

Return my unearned wealth to the workers and join them in bringing about a revolution.
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Postby Andsed » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:36 am

I pick option 4. Aka using my vampire powers and joining the revolution.

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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:40 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:At this point you realise that you have become a threat to humankind because of your insatiable urge to kill for human blood. However, your survival instincts are up and you may not have the strength to end your existence.

Get a night job in a blood bank. Problem solved.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:40 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:At this point you realise that you have become a threat to humankind because of your insatiable urge to kill for human blood. However, your survival instincts are up and you may not have the strength to end your existence.

Get a night job in a blood bank. Problem solved.


its tied to a programmed thirst to kill though

so merely having access to blood won't solve it
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:40 am

If I can't avoid becoming a vampire, then I'll just destroy the magic rock and wait for sunrise. Screw taking revenge, that won't achieve anything.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:41 am

Ifreann wrote:If I can't avoid becoming a vampire, then I'll just destroy the magic rock and wait for sunrise. Screw taking revenge, that won't achieve anything.


what about having great vampiric powers?

you can speedblitz people like Quinlan from the Strain
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Postby The Chuck » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:41 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:At this point you realise that you have become a threat to humankind because of your insatiable urge to kill for human blood. However, your survival instincts are up and you may not have the strength to end your existence.

Get a night job in a blood bank. Problem solved.


^ Cousin works for the red cross checking blood samples during the graveyard shift... If some went "missing" I don't think it would be to much of an issue.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:42 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Get a night job in a blood bank. Problem solved.


its tied to a programmed thirst to kill though

so merely having access to blood won't solve it

Is it though? The urge to kill is motivated by blood. Get a supply of blood, the urge to kill goes away.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:42 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If I can't avoid becoming a vampire, then I'll just destroy the magic rock and wait for sunrise. Screw taking revenge, that won't achieve anything.


what about having great vampiric powers?

What about them?
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Postby Heloin » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:44 am

Andsed wrote:I pick option 4. Aka using my vampire powers and joining the revolution.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:45 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
its tied to a programmed thirst to kill though

so merely having access to blood won't solve it

Is it though? The urge to kill is motivated by blood. Get a supply of blood, the urge to kill goes away.


in this lore, yes, because the vampire is "unholy" since its addicted to "spilling blood" (killing) as well as drinking it

(also, these vampires are non-multiplicative... meaning that those you wound won't also turn into vampires)
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Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
what about having great vampiric powers?

What about them?


don't you want to know your potential?
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:45 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Is it though? The urge to kill is motivated by blood. Get a supply of blood, the urge to kill goes away.


in this lore, yes, because the vampire is "unholy" since its addicted to spilling blood as well as drinking it

(also, these vampires are non-multiplicative... meaning that those you wound won't also turn into vampires)

Well it isn't a "real" vampire then, it's just a serial killer who happens to like blood.
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Postby The Chuck » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:46 am

I.M. where the hell is the option to be an evil vampire and to just sow death and destruction across the land? Something tells me you're skewed in your opinions of vampires...

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:47 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:What about them?


don't you want to know your potential?

The fuck does potential have to do with anything?
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The Chuck wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Get a night job in a blood bank. Problem solved.


^ Cousin works for the red cross checking blood samples during the graveyard shift... If some went "missing" I don't think it would be to much of an issue.

It'd be easy to do, as there is inevitably going to be some loss due to handling accidents etc, and actively fiddling the numbers would allow for even more to be taken if necessary.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:47 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
in this lore, yes, because the vampire is "unholy" since its addicted to spilling blood as well as drinking it

(also, these vampires are non-multiplicative... meaning that those you wound won't also turn into vampires)

Well it isn't a "real" vampire then, it's just a serial killer who happens to like blood.


aren't vampires basically serial killers except with powers and a curse?
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:50 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Well it isn't a "real" vampire then, it's just a serial killer who happens to like blood.


aren't vampires basically serial killers except with powers and a curse?

With vampires the desire to kill is caused by needing to drink blood. In this case the desire to kill is incidental to the drinking of blood; there is no causal relationship. As such, this "vampire" is nothing of the sort.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:50 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Well it isn't a "real" vampire then, it's just a serial killer who happens to like blood.


aren't vampires basically serial killers except with powers and a curse?

Varies based on the work.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:05 am

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
don't you want to know your potential?

The fuck does potential have to do with anything?


you wouldn't be curious?
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:08 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The fuck does potential have to do with anything?


you wouldn't be curious?

About how many people I'd kill? Nope.
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