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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:59 am

This might be a bit off-topic, but I think it ties into the author's theme of cultural alienation from white people.

I am a member of a visible minority, and as much as I like Elizabeth Warren (I'd personally rather have her in the White House than Biden or Bernie)- I have my concerns about her outreach with less engaged, more downscale nonwhite voters (especially since they would be crucial to any Democratic candidate winning in 2020).

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/opin ... crats.html

“Though Latinx is becoming common in social media and in academic writing,” a recent Merriam-Webster “words we’re watching” entry noted, “it is unclear whether it will catch on in mainstream use.” And last week a progressive pollster ran the numbers and found that it hasn’t caught on at all: “Despite its usage by academics and cultural influencers, 98 percent of Latinos prefer other terms to describe their ethnicity. Only 2 percent of our respondents said the label accurately describes them, making it the least popular ethnic label among Latinos.”

Beyond its novelty, there are obvious reasons for that stark unpopularity: When spoken, “Latinx” sounds like neither normal English nor conversational Spanish, and it looks like what it is, a word designed for ideological purposes rather than for felicity in speech. If you are deep inside progressive discourse, you will immediately understand those purposes — “dismantling the default masculine” of romance languages, centering gender neutrality or nonbinariness in place of a cisgender heteronormativity. If you are outside that discourse, politicians who use it will sound like they don’t know how to say “Latino,” or like they’re talking to an audience that doesn’t really include you.

Which, for a politician, seems like a bit of a problem. One of the common defenses of political correctness is that it’s just a synonym for politeness, for calling people what they themselves want to be called and showing sensitivity to minority experiences and burdens that men or white people don’t share. Which is sometimes true: The example of white people whining that they don’t get to say the “N-word,” for instance, shows how anti-P.C. sentiment can sometimes reflect a desire to ignore history and flip common decency the bird.

But just as often the language of P.C. has more to do with imposing elite norms of discourse on a wider population that neither necessarily wants them nor fully understands their purpose. This is a particular issue as highly educated white liberals become more progressive on racial issues than many African-Americans and Hispanics; in that context the language that dominates progressivism often emerges out of a dialogue among minority activists and academics and well-meaning white liberals, without much engagement with the larger minority population, its assumptions and habits and beliefs.

That lack of engagement turns the politeness argument on its head. It is certainly polite, if you operate in a social world where most people of Latin-American descent describe themselves as Latinx, to use the word in conversation and correspondence. But in their public-facing rhetoric, Democratic politicians are speaking to people who mostly don’t use that word, don’t prefer it to other labels and may not even recognize it. So a politician who uses it, especially a white politician who uses it, may come across as condescending, jargon-dependent and, well, rude.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:40 am

Latinx is a terrible word anyhow.
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Postby Konolas » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:08 am

Burning books because they disagree with the opinion of the book.
Where have I seen this before…

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:45 am

Konolas wrote:Burning books because they disagree with the opinion of the book.
Where have I seen this before…


There's a difference between burning a book in protest and burning books en masse to supress ideas.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:54 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Konolas wrote:Burning books because they disagree with the opinion of the book.
Where have I seen this before…


There's a difference between burning a book in protest and burning books en masse to supress ideas.

Either way, it's a waste of good paper. Should have done a ceremonial recycling dump or something.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:49 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:Latinx is a terrible word anyhow.


As a latino, I hate that word. it's pushed by members of the so called woke crowd because "Spanish is sexist and it needs to change." No, it doesn't need to change. Stop telling me how to speak a language fucking correctly. Yo soy latino. Que mierda es latinx?

as for the book burning, I understand that the speaker was a social justice types pushing one of these white guilt books again, so I can't stand her. That being said, why the hell did these stupid ass students think this was a good idea? Do they not understanding the connotations book burning carries? There's better ways to deal with ideas you don't like than burning books. One of the best ways would be for them all to leave the seminar and just go home. Let the speaker lecture an empty room
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:01 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:Latinx is a terrible word anyhow.

How do you even pronounce that? it doesn't follow any of the fundamental rules of Spanish.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:04 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:Latinx is a terrible word anyhow.

How do you even pronounce that? it doesn't follow any of the fundamental rules of Spanish.


Latin-ex? Latinks? I don't know, but fuck whoever had that horrible idea first
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:06 am

Back on topic though, fuck that book. But the students were stupid. All they did was promote the book.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:09 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Back on topic though, fuck that book. But the students were stupid. All they did was promote the book.


The conservative students acted like the rose city antifa
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:10 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Back on topic though, fuck that book. But the students were stupid. All they did was promote the book.


The conservative students acted like the rose city antifa

Acting like antifa is probably the worst thing you can do.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:13 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
The conservative students acted like the rose city antifa

Acting like antifa is probably the worst thing you can do.


This is why I hate this right vs left fight. Not only does it distract from society's most important issues that we should be United on, but it's usually some of the most immature people leading the charge. Whether it's bashing the fash or owning the libs, it's the most stereotypical and idiotic shit. It's worse than threatening to kill people over a game of Mario kart
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:16 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:Latinx is a terrible word anyhow.

How do you even pronounce that? it doesn't follow any of the fundamental rules of Spanish.


Latin-eks/latin-ex

A change of 'latine' has been suggested to fit easier with the rules/accent of Spanish, though either way it just looks like an American word pressed onto South America for no better reason than wokenss.

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Rojava Free State wrote:
The conservative students acted like the rose city antifa

Acting like antifa is probably the worst thing you can do.


That's true, though it's still refreshing to see that it's not just a one-way-street in university politics.
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Postby NoAvailability » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:19 am

I'm confused. So did he own the book now or not? As in, did he destroy HIS property or someone else's?

Because burning someone else's book is clearly wrong, but like... if he bought the copy, that copy is his to do with as he pleases. I mean, it's not like he's burning the IP or anything, he's just disposing of his own copy. Or is there something I'm missing?

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:21 am

NoAvailability wrote:I'm confused. So did he own the book now or not? As in, did he destroy HIS property or someone else's?

Because burning someone else's book is clearly wrong, but like... if he bought the copy, that copy is his to do with as he pleases. I mean, it's not like he's burning the IP or anything, he's just disposing of his own copy. Or is there something I'm missing?


It's been a while since I've looked at the source in detail but IIRC it didn't say anything about them stealing books.
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Postby Asle Leopolka » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:36 am

It's not like it was the entire student body - looks like a handful of freshmen showing why they couldn't get into one of Georgia's good schools.

"I'll pay the $20 for her book then set it on fire! That'll show her!" :roll:
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Good God, there's some blatant hypocrisy and virtue-signalling in this thread. :eyebrow:

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