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Should we institute corporal punishment?

Yes.
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Maybe - depends on the method and laws surrounding.
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No.
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Hell no. What are you thinking?
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Corporal Punishment

Postby Domminus » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:10 pm

First topic on Nationstates. Let's see how this goes.

Ok, I want to ask you guys, what would you think about applying corporal punishment in the courtroom?

I don't know a lot about legal stuff and all that, but it seems like it would be a good idea on how to save money and still get the job done at the same time. If we could spank some of the criminals and send them on their way, that would save us a lot of money compared to keeping him in jail. Hell, it might even be more effective, but I'm not sure about that.

What do ya'll think?
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Re: Corporal Punishment

Postby JuNii » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:11 pm

like say... public flogging for grafitti?
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:12 pm

JuNii wrote:like say... public flogging for grafitti?

not flogging but Bamboo cane would do nicely.
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Postby Domminus » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:12 pm

JuNii wrote:like say... public flogging for grafitti?


Well I don't know about the exact punishments for the exact crime or anything like that... it's more of a general concept at this point.

I was thinking something very simple, just having the bailiff in the courtroom carry out the sentence.

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Re: Corporal Punishment

Postby Minnas » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:13 pm

You ought to be spanked for daring to post this.

Where would you draw the line around which offenses can be solved with a good ''spank'' and which can't be?

A rapist, for example. Good spanking or jail time?

Murderer. Spank or jail?
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Postby JuNii » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:13 pm

greed and death wrote:
JuNii wrote:like say... public flogging for grafitti?

not flogging but Bamboo cane would do nicely.

nah, flogging.

give those B&D people a career path. :p
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Postby Domminus » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:14 pm

Minnas wrote:You ought to be spanked for daring to post this.

Where would you draw the line around which offenses can be solved with a good ''spank'' and which can't be?

A rapist, for example. Good spanking or jail time?

Murderer. Spank or jail?


I'm not sure where the line would be drawn. That's for more intelligent people than me, but since rapists and murderers are pretty sure to still be a threat to society, I would say jail, or some combination of both.

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Postby Minnas » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:15 pm

Domminus wrote:
Minnas wrote:You ought to be spanked for daring to post this.

Where would you draw the line around which offenses can be solved with a good ''spank'' and which can't be?

A rapist, for example. Good spanking or jail time?

Murderer. Spank or jail?


I'm not sure where the line would be drawn. That's for more intelligent people than me, but since rapists and murderers are pretty sure to still be a threat to society, I would say jail, or some combination of both.


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Re: Corporal Punishment

Postby Ashmoria » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:16 pm

if spanking would take care of it, there was no need for a trial to begin with.
whatever

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Postby Domminus » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:16 pm

Minnas wrote:Not too assertive, I see.


I'm more of an ideas person. Other people often fill in the details.

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Re: Corporal Punishment

Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:17 pm

Absolutely not. Society should not solve its problems with violence if there is any other alternative.
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Postby Minnas » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:18 pm

Domminus wrote:
Minnas wrote:Not too assertive, I see.


I'm more of an ideas person. Other people often fill in the details.


I wouldn't go that far. You're asking a forum of unknowns to handle this. And yet, you yourself have no idea what should be done. Or do you?
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:19 pm

Well i got an idea. Those with college/university degrees should be exempt from pyhscial punishment, and those with out should be okayed for caning biching and flogging.
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Postby JuNii » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:20 pm

greed and death wrote:Well i got an idea. Those with college/university degrees should be exempt from pyhscial punishment, and those with out should be okayed for caning biching and flogging.

so... a college student is not safe from caning and flogging until AFTER he graduates?
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:20 pm

Oh yes. What a lovely idea! Let's do it Somali style and chop off a hand an a foot while we're at it, hmm?

This thread disgusts me.
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Postby Hamilay » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:21 pm

I don't consider 'hit people with a stick' to be a particularly intelligent way of operating the justice system.

Amusing, yes, but not very civilised.

I'm a bit disturbed at being the only 'no' vote...
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:22 pm

Hamilay wrote:I don't consider 'hit people with a stick' to be a particularly intelligent way of operating the justice system.

Amusing, yes, but not very civilised.

I'm a bit disturbed at being the only 'no' vote...

Sorry, didn't notice the poll.
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Postby Domminus » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:22 pm

Minnas wrote:I wouldn't go that far. You're asking a forum of unknowns to handle this. And yet, you yourself have no idea what should be done. Or do you?


Well I was thinking minor crimes, where the punishment would normally go to 2 weeks or less in jail, they could (at judges discretion) opt for corporal punishment instead.

You know, relatively minor stuff.

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Postby Minnas » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:22 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:Oh yes. What a lovely idea! Let's do it Somali style and chop off a hand an a foot while we're at it, hmm?

This thread disgusts me.


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Postby Gendara » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:23 pm

Minnas wrote:You ought to be spanked for daring to post this.

Where would you draw the line around which offenses can be solved with a good ''spank'' and which can't be?

A rapist, for example. Good spanking or jail time?

Murderer. Spank or jail?

Actually, there's an excellent system in place already that could address this.

The justice system tends to recognize the difference in severity of different crimes, and categorizes some as felonies and others as misdemeanors (or tort violations, etc). As is, misdemeanors tend to rate fines while felonies rate prison time.

So, if a system of corporal punishment WAS implemented, it wouldn't be difficult to limit it solely to minor crimes and misdemeanors, and reserve full-scale jail time for felonies, like murder, rape, grand theft, etc.


That being said, I personally wouldn't support corporal punishment as part of the legal system, because I don't actually think it would be enough of a deterrent.

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:24 pm

Domminus wrote:
Minnas wrote:I wouldn't go that far. You're asking a forum of unknowns to handle this. And yet, you yourself have no idea what should be done. Or do you?


Well I was thinking minor crimes, where the punishment would normally go to 2 weeks or less in jail, they could (at judges discretion) opt for corporal punishment instead.

You know, relatively minor stuff.


This just paves the way for real injustice! Who determines what is minor? Minor might end up meaning being poked with hot cattle prods!
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Postby Domminus » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:24 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:Oh yes. What a lovely idea! Let's do it Somali style and chop off a hand an a foot while we're at it, hmm?

This thread disgusts me.


Umm, did I say anything about permanently maiming the prisoners?

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Postby Minnas » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:25 pm

Domminus wrote:
Minnas wrote:I wouldn't go that far. You're asking a forum of unknowns to handle this. And yet, you yourself have no idea what should be done. Or do you?


Well I was thinking minor crimes, where the punishment would normally go to 2 weeks or less in jail, they could (at judges discretion) opt for corporal punishment instead.

You know, relatively minor stuff.


No, I don't know. I want to know what you think. I know my own opinion on this subject. But what's yours? You think corporal punishment is ok? You seem to do. You drew a line? Yes, minor offenses. I would like to know why you think corporal punishment is ok. Don't speak from the maintenance of jails perspective. Why you, Domminus, think it's ok to punish the body for crimes?
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Postby Hamilay » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:25 pm

Domminus wrote:
Minnas wrote:I wouldn't go that far. You're asking a forum of unknowns to handle this. And yet, you yourself have no idea what should be done. Or do you?


Well I was thinking minor crimes, where the punishment would normally go to 2 weeks or less in jail, they could (at judges discretion) opt for corporal punishment instead.

You know, relatively minor stuff.


How would having a small number of people opt for corporal punishment instead of very short jail sentences save the justice system any significant amount of time and money?

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Re: Corporal Punishment

Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:26 pm

Domminus wrote:
Minnas wrote:I wouldn't go that far. You're asking a forum of unknowns to handle this. And yet, you yourself have no idea what should be done. Or do you?


Well I was thinking minor crimes, where the punishment would normally go to 2 weeks or less in jail, they could (at judges discretion) opt for corporal punishment instead.

You know, relatively minor stuff.

Then what is effectively happening is society is endorsing the idea that a bit of a hiding is the proper response to minor crimes.

Suddenly there's a spike in assaults. Shock horror.
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