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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:13 pm

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ch ... spartanntp

So this happened.

I am not quite sure of China's claims of him smuggling ammunition but let's humor China for a second and think, what does this mean for relations between China and the U.S?

Let's look at this from a different perspective. An American citizen is now being held against his will in a foreign country. Think about it that way and it is just like, "Oh shit."

What do you think NationStates? Anything going to come from this?
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:16 pm

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Postby Jebslund » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:21 pm

Eh, this happens every so often. The usual saber rattling, a whole lot of nothing, and the situation being handled quietly in a way that lets both nations save face are all that will come of this, just like it has for the last couple decades or so.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:25 pm

Airsoft pellets are ammunition? Seems silly even for China.

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Postby Pacomia » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:28 pm

Chances are nothing will come of this and it’ll end up like the Otto Warmbier thing, with the pilot just being held for years. Probably won’t end the same way, though. Not entirely confident that he’ll return safely.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:29 pm

Pacomia wrote:Chances are nothing will come of this and it’ll end up like the Otto Warmbier thing.

Given Donny's reaction to Warmbier's death and Jamal Khashoggi's murder, it's certain he'll try to put on a buddy-buddy face with the Jynese.
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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:46 pm

Pacomia wrote:Chances are nothing will come of this and it’ll end up like the Otto Warmbier thing, with the pilot just being held for years. Probably won’t end the same way, though. Not entirely confident that he’ll return safely.

Well could the USA use this as more reason to put on tariffs? Or even put a worldwide boycott on China if China does do something to that pilot?
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Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Chances are nothing will come of this and it’ll end up like the Otto Warmbier thing, with the pilot just being held for years. Probably won’t end the same way, though. Not entirely confident that he’ll return safely.

Well could the USA use this as more reason to put on tariffs? Or even put a worldwide boycott on China if China does do something to that pilot?

In a word: No.

Granted, that won't stop those determined enough to do so, but this is a situation where neither side can really afford to piss the other off to the point of complete alienation and both sides know it. China owns the majority share of US debt, and business deals with US companies are a major part of China's economic strength. We pull our businesses out, their economy suffers, they decide our debt is due NOW, ours suffers, and neither side, as of yet, can really afford to play that game, especially since an economic collapse of either will mean the other loses, too, China because the US can no longer pay its debts or keep its companies afloat, the US because of our overreliance on cheap goods and labor from China.
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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:10 pm

Jebslund wrote:
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Well could the USA use this as more reason to put on tariffs? Or even put a worldwide boycott on China if China does do something to that pilot?

In a word: No.

Granted, that won't stop those determined enough to do so, but this is a situation where neither side can really afford to piss the other off to the point of complete alienation and both sides know it. China owns the majority share of US debt, and business deals with US companies are a major part of China's economic strength. We pull our businesses out, their economy suffers, they decide our debt is due NOW, ours suffers, and neither side, as of yet, can really afford to play that game, especially since an economic collapse of either will mean the other loses, too, China because the US can no longer pay its debts or keep its companies afloat, the US because of our overreliance on cheap goods and labor from China.

Huh. But let's say it is released that the pilot is being, let's say, tortured? Then what do you think?
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:13 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Jebslund wrote:In a word: No.

Granted, that won't stop those determined enough to do so, but this is a situation where neither side can really afford to piss the other off to the point of complete alienation and both sides know it. China owns the majority share of US debt, and business deals with US companies are a major part of China's economic strength. We pull our businesses out, their economy suffers, they decide our debt is due NOW, ours suffers, and neither side, as of yet, can really afford to play that game, especially since an economic collapse of either will mean the other loses, too, China because the US can no longer pay its debts or keep its companies afloat, the US because of our overreliance on cheap goods and labor from China.

Huh. But let's say it is released that the pilot is being, let's say, tortured? Then what do you think?

the Chinese aren't that stupid they wouldn't torture a foreign pilot over airsoft bb's most likely they'll have a show trial then return him in a prisoner swap with the US or just release him after talking to the WH and then barring him from ever returning to the country.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:14 pm

Jebslund wrote:
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Well could the USA use this as more reason to put on tariffs? Or even put a worldwide boycott on China if China does do something to that pilot?

In a word: No.

Granted, that won't stop those determined enough to do so, but this is a situation where neither side can really afford to piss the other off to the point of complete alienation and both sides know it. China owns the majority share of US debt, and business deals with US companies are a major part of China's economic strength. We pull our businesses out, their economy suffers, they decide our debt is due NOW, ours suffers, and neither side, as of yet, can really afford to play that game, especially since an economic collapse of either will mean the other loses, too, China because the US can no longer pay its debts or keep its companies afloat, the US because of our overreliance on cheap goods and labor from China.

That's not how the US debt works, you know. China did not lend us money, they bought our treasury bonds. If they sell them, other countries and people will buy them, and they lose the interest they were earning on them.


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Jebslund wrote:In a word: No.

Granted, that won't stop those determined enough to do so, but this is a situation where neither side can really afford to piss the other off to the point of complete alienation and both sides know it. China owns the majority share of US debt, and business deals with US companies are a major part of China's economic strength. We pull our businesses out, their economy suffers, they decide our debt is due NOW, ours suffers, and neither side, as of yet, can really afford to play that game, especially since an economic collapse of either will mean the other loses, too, China because the US can no longer pay its debts or keep its companies afloat, the US because of our overreliance on cheap goods and labor from China.

Huh. But let's say it is released that the pilot is being, let's say, tortured? Then what do you think?

I'd say we shouldn't debate hypotheticals. Torturing the Fedex pilot would be wrong and Fedex would immediately stop delivering in China. See how long they can deal with that.
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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:16 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Jebslund wrote:In a word: No.

Granted, that won't stop those determined enough to do so, but this is a situation where neither side can really afford to piss the other off to the point of complete alienation and both sides know it. China owns the majority share of US debt, and business deals with US companies are a major part of China's economic strength. We pull our businesses out, their economy suffers, they decide our debt is due NOW, ours suffers, and neither side, as of yet, can really afford to play that game, especially since an economic collapse of either will mean the other loses, too, China because the US can no longer pay its debts or keep its companies afloat, the US because of our overreliance on cheap goods and labor from China.

That's not how the US debt works, you know. China did not lend us money, they bought our treasury bonds. If they sell them, other countries and people will buy them, and they lose the interest they were earning on them.


Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Huh. But let's say it is released that the pilot is being, let's say, tortured? Then what do you think?

I'd say we shouldn't debate hypotheticals. Torturing the Fedex pilot would be wrong and Fedex would immediately stop delivering in China. See how long they can deal with that.

I didn't know that, good to know. Thanks.

That is true and a fair point. So is China just going to release the pilot?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:17 pm

Air soft pellets? That's dumb enough to be true.
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Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:That's not how the US debt works, you know. China did not lend us money, they bought our treasury bonds. If they sell them, other countries and people will buy them, and they lose the interest they were earning on them.



I'd say we shouldn't debate hypotheticals. Torturing the Fedex pilot would be wrong and Fedex would immediately stop delivering in China. See how long they can deal with that.

I didn't know that, good to know. Thanks.

That is true and a fair point. So is China just going to release the pilot?

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The only way someone dies with airsoft pellets is if they choke on 'em. Bullshit.
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The South Falls wrote:The only way someone dies with airsoft pellets is if they choke on 'em. Bullshit.

China being Chinese
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:39 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
The South Falls wrote:The only way someone dies with airsoft pellets is if they choke on 'em. Bullshit.

China being Chinese


If it’s against Chinese law, what are they suppose to do?
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Ethel mermania wrote:
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:China being Chinese


If it’s against Chinese law, what are they suppose to do?

Airsoft pellets are hardly arrestable
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:48 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
If it’s against Chinese law, what are they suppose to do?

Airsoft pellets are hardly arrestable

but its China anything is arrestable even protesting for Democracy
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Gig em Aggies wrote:
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Airsoft pellets are hardly arrestable

but its China anything is arrestable even protesting for Democracy

But do they have the right to arrest him? He was an American.
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Chinese cops are being dumb if the guy only had airsoft pellets
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Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:but its China anything is arrestable even protesting for Democracy

But do they have the right to arrest him? He was an American.

If he broke Chinese law and he is in country, of course they do.
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Chinese cops are being dumb if the guy only had airsoft pellets

They are chinese of course they are dumb
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Ethel mermania wrote:
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:But do they have the right to arrest him? He was an American.

If he broke Chinese law and he is in country, of course they do.

No? If a British pilot landed in the USA with illegal substances they would hand him over to British authorities.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:08 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:If he broke Chinese law and he is in country, of course they do.

No? If a British pilot landed in the USA with illegal substances they would hand him over to British authorities.

No they wouldnt. He would be tried and prosecuted here.
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