by Erythrean Thebes » Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:37 am
by South Central South-Park » Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:44 am
by The Alma Mater » Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:47 am
Diopolis wrote:Men know and embrace the truth written in their hearts when the lies of devils are driven away.
by Hanafuridake » Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:50 am
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by Alvecia » Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:51 am
The Alma Mater wrote:Diopolis wrote:Men know and embrace the truth written in their hearts when the lies of devils are driven away.
Is that why more and more people become atheist ?
And I think it is the simplicity. People like to have one leader; not a commitee. It is why we have kings, emperors, presidents.
by The Alma Mater » Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:53 am
by Evil Dictators Happyland » Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:55 am
by Evil Dictators Happyland » Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:58 am
Diopolis wrote:Men know and embrace the truth written in their hearts when the lies of devils are driven away.
by US-SSR » Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:59 am
by Evil Dictators Happyland » Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:15 am
US-SSR wrote:Only one god to disbelieve in. Being atheistic towards a whole pantheon gets tiring.
by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:24 am
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Diopolis wrote:Men know and embrace the truth written in their hearts when the lies of devils are driven away.
Just gonna point out here that (according to what I remember from the Bible) demons can quote scripture and (according to logical conclusions drawn from their stated feats) a particularly powerful demon would most likely capable of performing every single one of Jesus' miracles.
Lucifer was God's most powerful angel, and I highly doubt that fooling a Bronze Age civilization in the middle of massive political upheaval would be beyond his abilities.
by Pacomia » Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:24 am
by New Aeyariss » Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:29 am
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Psalms 144:1 wrote:Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight.
by The Alma Mater » Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:40 am
New Aeyariss wrote:People also tend to ignore the amount of civilizing influence that monotheistic faiths had upon pagain kingdoms they converted. In those times, bringing in clergy usually meant bringing in people with considerable education and skill. Let's not forget that slavic alphabets were made by missionary monks from Byzantium; or the fact that very often the invading barbarians assimilated latin culture, and with it, the latin religion.
by The Emerald Legion » Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:04 am
by Purpelia » Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:57 am
by Farnhamia » Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:02 am
Erythrean Thebes wrote:Anthropological research usually finds that primitive societies are polytheistic; the two normal varieties are some combination of animism and shamanism. All Eurasian societies were polytheistic before Judaism, but as we all know, the Jewish religion eventually spawned two revival cults after the fall of the Hasmonean Kingdom and eventually the Abrahamic religions took over all of Europe and Western Asia. If we view religion as a choice of belief, then we can see the world of religion as a marketplace for people to select religious beliefs from the religions they know of. Most religions purport to offer an invisible truth about the nature of imperceptible realms of existence - the origin of the world, and mankind. Even though syncretic beliefs exist increasingly in the developed world, historically religions usually proclaimed that their own view of these mysteries was the truth. Other religions could appreciate some aspects of the same truth, just in different or actually inferior terms. Since religions compete in such a way for the position of expounding the truth, with human beings acting as the arbiters or perhaps the 'consumers' of religion, it would be friendly to the logic of the major religions themselves to suppose that a religion's "success" is best measured by the number of adherents it can claim across the world. Historically, there has just been no contest in this category against the success of the two major monotheistic religions: Christianity and Islam.
World-historically, peoples that came into contact with Christianity in its European homeland were very often eager to embrace the religion for themselves. Actually, Islam is a distant result of the prestige of Christian monotheism as it reached into Arabia. However Mohammed, the prophet of Islam, envisioned the religion as a purification of the Roman monotheism and foretold that the destruction of the Roman Empire would be the eschatological destiny of the Muslims. For him and the early Muslims the Roman Empire was the dominant power of the age, and the Empire's claims to universal political and religious hegemony both meant that the true monotheism, Islam, necessarily had to overcome and destroy it as part of expounding the true religion, vindicating it. Pagan rulers from nations such as the Avars, the Bulgars, the Rus, or the Hungarians opted to switch directly to Christianity instead.
Nor did late-adherents to Christianity merely embrace the veneer of the religion for purely political purposes. Boris I, the Bulgarian Khan who brought Christianity to Bulgaria, asked for answers to over 100 doctrinal questions from Pope Nicholas I, many of which concerned questions of conscience and the real issue of what Christianity meant for Old Bulgarian customs and beliefs. The Rus, according to their own history, decided in the first place that they wanted a monotheism for the sake of its sacred powers - they then went shopping amongst Islam, Judaism, and Christianity for whichever one was best. Baptism for previously pagan leaders oftentimes meant changing their name to one from the Christian canon - as in the case of Istvan, the first King of Hungary.
What merits did all of these world-historical leaders perceive in monotheism, that they switched from their current faiths? Historically the Avars, the Bulgarians, the Slavs, the Hungarians - these leaders were well-positioned in relation to their urbanized neighbors and spent most of the Early Middle Ages as aggressors against the Byzantine Empire and Central Europe. They were not forced to convert against their will, like so many indigenous in America or the Pacific (even though there are some, like the Philippinos, who willingly converted). Is it that there is some intrinsic appeal to monotheism, perhaps particularly concerning the quest for authority, charisma, or truth? Or are the circumstances all-important?
by Evil Dictators Happyland » Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:31 am
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Just gonna point out here that (according to what I remember from the Bible) demons can quote scripture and (according to logical conclusions drawn from their stated feats) a particularly powerful demon would most likely capable of performing every single one of Jesus' miracles.
Lucifer was God's most powerful angel, and I highly doubt that fooling a Bronze Age civilization in the middle of massive political upheaval would be beyond his abilities.
Satan cannot bring the dead back to life.
Also, Jesus didn't live in the bronze age, but that's more of a nitpick
by The Emerald Legion » Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:32 am
Purpelia wrote:Monotheism has one big virtue compared to the alternatives of its age. And that's the fact that you only have to appease/sacrifice to/pray to one god and not a myriad. So if you are in the market for irrational beliefs based on unprovable tales and incredible claims without evidence its the most efficient choice.
by Hanafuridake » Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:34 am
Purpelia wrote:Monotheism has one big virtue compared to the alternatives of its age. And that's the fact that you only have to appease/sacrifice to/pray to one god and not a myriad. So if you are in the market for irrational beliefs based on unprovable tales and incredible claims without evidence its the most efficient choice.
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by Evil Dictators Happyland » Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:37 am
Hanafuridake wrote:Purpelia wrote:Monotheism has one big virtue compared to the alternatives of its age. And that's the fact that you only have to appease/sacrifice to/pray to one god and not a myriad. So if you are in the market for irrational beliefs based on unprovable tales and incredible claims without evidence its the most efficient choice.
Then why were several non-monotheistic religions so successful?
by The Emerald Legion » Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:49 am
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Hanafuridake wrote:
Then why were several non-monotheistic religions so successful?
Efficiency is not always the only concern.
Besides, there is no polytheistic religion I can think of that spread to other countries to any significant degree without conquering them first. Maybe Hinduism, but I'm not even sure about that one since it doesn't seem to be especially popular outside India.
by Hanafuridake » Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:51 am
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Hanafuridake wrote:
Then why were several non-monotheistic religions so successful?
Efficiency is not always the only concern.
Besides, there is no polytheistic religion I can think of that spread to other countries to any significant degree without conquering them first. Maybe Hinduism, but I'm not even sure about that one since it doesn't seem to be especially popular outside India.
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
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