Should old comments/actions matter in politics

[Bear Stearns]

Bullshit. People are old enough to understand consequences and take responsibility for their actions at 18.

How old are you? We got people who don't think that now. "It's just a joke!"

I am in my mid-20s.

[Gagium]

I use a 'dumb kid' limitation - anything done or said under the age of 25 should be forgotten (including minor criminal acts) because dumb kids do dumb things

over 25 I'm nowhere near as lenient, people need to grow up and take responsibility.

Bullshit. People are old enough to understand consequences and take responsibility for their actions at 18.

I don’t see how a person back then would’ve been able to successfully predict that society would grow into one that targets people based off of their personal mistakes that don’t affect anyone else decades ago and aims to ruin their past, present, and future reputation based on such.

[Bear Stearns]

More then you would think back then. Go back a few more years and you have the Ted Danson incident.

As to tanking anyone else's career? Speculation at best.

I've never heard of the Ted Danson incident until now and I like him too much to want to know.

He wore blackface at a Whoopi Goldberg roast.

What is it with rich, white liberals having bizarre and creepy senses of humor?

[The Black Forrest]

After looking at what Bear Sterns did in the past; they should all be held accountable right?

Of course they all should be held accountable. I'm not saying you can't incorporate age and maturity into the equation, but they should be held accountable. A child murderer is a child murderer and a young, dumb Trudeau is a young and dumb Trudeau. Do with that as you will but people cannot pretend it never happened when speaking politics.

Oh I am not saying he has an exemption card and can't be questioned over it.

I just question this new "zero tolerance" thing going on....well when it's the opposition of course.

I would need a few more things to want him out of office. I would say the same for a conservative who did black face 20 years ago.

[Cekoviu]

I've never heard of the Ted Danson incident until now and I like him too much to want to know.

He wore blackface at a Whoopi Goldberg roast.

What is it with rich, white liberals having bizarre and creepy senses of humor?

I told you to fucking not omg

[Bear Stearns]

Bullshit. People are old enough to understand consequences and take responsibility for their actions at 18.

I don’t see how a person back then would’ve been able to successfully predict that society would grow into one that targets people based off of their personal mistakes that don’t affect anyone else decades ago and aims to ruin their past, present, and future reputation based on such.

Society has always been like that.

Before blackface, #MeToo, and past racist comments, the big closet skeleton that used to ding politicians yesteryear was marital infidelity.

[Israeli Totalitariat]

Of course they all should be held accountable. I'm not saying you can't incorporate age and maturity into the equation, but they should be held accountable. A child murderer is a child murderer and a young, dumb Trudeau is a young and dumb Trudeau. Do with that as you will but people cannot pretend it never happened when speaking politics.

Oh I am not saying he has an exemption card and can't be questioned over it.

I just question this new "zero tolerance" thing going on....well when it's the opposition of course.

I would need a few more things to want him out of office. I would say the same for a conservative who did black face 20 years ago.

Oh! Fuck no, wanting Trudeau out of office because of some dumb shit he had done in a different time is, imo, completely unreasonable. There are many stronger points to hate Trudeau with, and this specific incident is not one of them.

[The Black Forrest]

I've never heard of the Ted Danson incident until now and I like him too much to want to know.

He wore blackface at a Whoopi Goldberg roast.

What is it with rich, white liberals having bizarre and creepy senses of humor?

Oh and conservative senses of humor are pure?

If I recall right Whoopie thought it was funny. So if the person it was directed at isn't offended; why do you need to be?

[Bear Stearns]

Oh I am not saying he has an exemption card and can't be questioned over it.

I just question this new "zero tolerance" thing going on....well when it's the opposition of course.

I would need a few more things to want him out of office. I would say the same for a conservative who did black face 20 years ago.

Oh! Fuck no, wanting Trudeau out of office because of some dumb shit he had done in a different time is, imo, completely unreasonable. There are many stronger points to hate Trudeau with, and this specific incident is not one of them.

It would be depressing however if something as dumb as this is what brings down Trudeau and not the actual and substantial corruption case against him.

[Bear Stearns]

He wore blackface at a Whoopi Goldberg roast.

What is it with rich, white liberals having bizarre and creepy senses of humor?

Oh and conservative senses of humor are pure?

They're usually mundane and about everyday things, i.e. normal.

If I recall right Whoopie thought it was funny. So if the person it was directed at isn't offended; why do you need to be?

I'm the last person to get offended over racial stuff. I just find the whole "do as I say, not as I do" thing coming from them to be very irritating.

[The Black Forrest]

Oh I am not saying he has an exemption card and can't be questioned over it.

I just question this new "zero tolerance" thing going on....well when it's the opposition of course.

I would need a few more things to want him out of office. I would say the same for a conservative who did black face 20 years ago.

Oh! Fuck no, wanting Trudeau out of office because of some dumb shit he had done in a different time is, imo, completely unreasonable. There are many stronger points to hate Trudeau with, and this specific incident is not one of them.

There we are in agreement.

I know of him and maybe a thing or two. I can't judge him on his policies so I can't make that call.

[Cekoviu]

Oh and conservative senses of humor are pure?

They're usually mundane and about everyday things, i.e. normal.

i.e. boring.

[Bear Stearns]

They're usually mundane and about everyday things, i.e. normal.

i.e. boring.

Boring keeps the wheels turning and pays the bills.

[The Black Forrest]

i.e. boring.

Boring keeps the wheels turning and pays the bills.

Even in the rust belt?

[Ethel mermania]

He wore blackface at a Whoopi Goldberg roast.

What is it with rich, white liberals having bizarre and creepy senses of humor?

Oh and conservative senses of humor are pure?

If I recall right Whoopie thought it was funny. So if the person it was directed at isn't offended; why do you need to be?

Because the internet, and the New York times. Look what the times is still doing to kavanaugh. If he is responsible and impeachable for stuff he didnt do. There is no reason to give a pass to liberal for stuff he did do.


Full disclosure: it's a fucking absurd.

[The Black Forrest]

Oh and conservative senses of humor are pure?

If I recall right Whoopie thought it was funny. So if the person it was directed at isn't offended; why do you need to be?

Because the internet, and the New York times. Look what the times is still doing to kavanaugh. If he is responsible and impeachable for stuff he didnt do. There is no reason to give a pass to liberal for stuff he did do.


Full disclosure: it's a fucking absurd.

Indeed. If full disclosure was allowed; we wouldn't be hearing about Kav.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

As always, it depends on the context. Is there evidence of genuine growth that could be distinguished from a mere attempt at backpedaling? We shouldn't claim to know for certain either way, but the tradeoff in possibilities should be kept in mind.

In Justin Trudeau's case, it's evidence of a spoiled trust-fund brat who never had to learn right from wrong, which would explain his scandals. We picked him for who his daddy was. This was a mistake. But the brownface only makes the nature of the mistake just a few notches more obvious. If we learn from this, it'll be the voters who "made a mistake but genuinely learned from it."

This is often compared to Andrew Scheer. At least in Scheer's case it could genuinely be considered a utilitarian move to pander to homophobes to push his agenda; if he didn't pander to them, the voters would pick someone who would. Or not. It's not clear whether he knew who his future rivals would've been, let alone whether Maxime Bernier would be one of them.

Ideally, though, you'd want to seek an alternative who knew right from wrong early, and wanted to stand up for it, even when others didn't. An engineer who's ahead of the curve by several years would be considered a good engineer. Why not treat social engineering a similar way?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Trudeau was just conducting an elaborate social experiment to experience a day in the life of a black man. He found out black guys get called racist a lot.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

If that comment no longer reflects that person's views, then no. If it is an action, then the same rule should apply, unless it is something serious.

[US-SSR]

Politics ain't beanbag. Anything your opponents can dig up to put you in a bad light, they will. It's not a matter of "should."

[The Republic of Fore]

I don't believe old comments should matter, peoples opinion's can change quite dramatically in only a few years, let alone decades. I only believe actions should matter if there were criminal. Plenty of bad people have been good presidents. And some of our worst presidents were great people. James Buchanan drove himself into bankruptcy buying slaves to smuggle them to freedom. But ask most any historian, and they'll rank him often in the bottom 10.

[Kowani]

I don't believe old comments should matter, peoples opinion's can change quite dramatically in only a few years, let alone decades. I only believe actions should matter if there were criminal. Plenty of bad people have been good presidents. And some of our worst presidents were great people. James Buchanan drove himself into bankruptcy buying slaves to smuggle them to freedom. But ask most any historian, and they'll rank him often in the bottom 10.

Yeah, because they’re only considering his actions as President.
Carter was much the same way. Good guy, terrible President.

[The Republic of Fore]

He wore blackface at a Whoopi Goldberg roast.

What is it with rich, white liberals having bizarre and creepy senses of humor?

Oh and conservative senses of humor are pure?

If I recall right Whoopie thought it was funny. So if the person it was directed at isn't offended; why do you need to be?

Whoopi also defended a child molester so I wouldn't use her as a standard for what is and isn't okay.
*Edit, typos*

[The Black Forrest]

Look up there! That's the point flying over your head.

[Diarcesia]

If it's more than a few years old I'd put more stock on how they handle seeing their past selves.