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Your thoughts on pistol braces? (See top of OP for information)

Ban modern sporting rifles
114
15%
Pistol braces should be outlawed and current restrictions on SBRs remain in place
86
11%
Pistol braces should be outlawed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
30
4%
Pistol braces should be allowed and current restrictions on SBRs should remain
102
13%
Pistol braces should be allowed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
454
58%
 
Total votes : 786

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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:24 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Techocracy101010 wrote:Here he gets torn apart lol

“OPINIONS AND ANALYSIS
It is my opinion that Colonel (Ret.) Tucker's report is plagued by inaccuracies and opinions that are contradicted by fact.
His claim that a single small arms projectile is capable of "severing the upper
body from the lower body, or decapitation" is so ridiculous that it should, and
actually does, cast doubt on his qualifications as an expert in the field of firearms, 23 particularly as it relates to wound ballistics.”

I'd like to believe that he doesn't actually believe this shit, but rather is getting a hefty paycheck from certain actors...


Is nefarious a better character trait than stupid?
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Postby Techocracy101010 » Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:26 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I'd like to believe that he doesn't actually believe this shit, but rather is getting a hefty paycheck from certain actors...


Is nefarious a better character trait than stupid?

sorry i had to edit check the last page again cause it gets worse

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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:28 pm

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Greater Cesnica wrote:I'd like to believe that he doesn't actually believe this shit, but rather is getting a hefty paycheck from certain actors...


Either he is a liar or he is so dumb i sm actually mad he has a pension. Boomers had it too easy shit my dad would have beat me black and blue for saying such clearly wrong shit


He's quite clearly just a liar. Unless we're also going to write off his stupidity to include such things as "too stupid to know how marriage works" and "too stupid to know that fucking one's subordinates is against the rules in the military"

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:28 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I'd like to believe that he doesn't actually believe this shit, but rather is getting a hefty paycheck from certain actors...


Is nefarious a better character trait than stupid?

Worse actually.

It's not an idiot's fault that he's stupid.
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Postby Techocracy101010 » Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:30 pm

either way anti gunners have earned their reputation due to their inability to do basic stats , their inability to understand the constitution , American history and law. Like seriously their clowns lol. I know someone will get their feelings hurt over me calling em clowns but uhh wtf am i supposed to call folk who are just wrong and insist on being wrong ? Like the only thing you can do is laugh at them
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:44 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
- Col. Craig Tucker USMC Ret.
I'm thinking alot of crayon munchin' has given da Col the stupids.
His whole witness diatribe is chocked full of golden "I don't know a fucking thing about firearms" that is pretty much verbatim out of the anti gunners playbook


Reminder, this clown commanded troops and was put in charge of training more...

I'm surprised he didn't complete going full retard by including the "fully semi-auto mode" like that dipshit Lt. Gen. Hertling, who then goes on to shoot like he's got palsy and afraid of the damn thing
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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:48 pm

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American Legionaries wrote:
Reminder, this clown commanded troops and was put in charge of training more...

I'm surprised he didn't complete going full retard by including the "fully semi-auto mode" like that dipshit Lt. Gen. Hertling, who then goes on to shoot like he's got palsy and afraid of the damn thing


I have a cousin who has palsy, he manages to avoid having horrible opinions though.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:55 pm

I know people with palsy who shoot guns. Good shots might I add. Years of practice.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:01 pm

Techocracy101010 wrote:either way anti gunners have earned their reputation due to their inability to do basic stats , their inability to understand the constitution , American history and law. Like seriously their clowns lol. I know someone will get their feelings hurt over me calling em clowns but uhh wtf am i supposed to call folk who are just wrong and insist on being wrong ? Like the only thing you can do is laugh at them

Well it's the inability to live and let live.

Most pro-gun people don't want to force people to buy guns or keep guns if they don't want them. Most anti-gunners support banning shit or confiscation.

One side is content with being left alone and leaving the other side alone. The other side doesn't believe in such things, or compromise. I used to believe in the myth of compromising on this issue. However, time and time again, the grabbers have shown that they'll push the envelope further.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
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Postby Techocracy101010 » Mon Feb 13, 2023 6:19 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Techocracy101010 wrote:either way anti gunners have earned their reputation due to their inability to do basic stats , their inability to understand the constitution , American history and law. Like seriously their clowns lol. I know someone will get their feelings hurt over me calling em clowns but uhh wtf am i supposed to call folk who are just wrong and insist on being wrong ? Like the only thing you can do is laugh at them

Well it's the inability to live and let live.

Most pro-gun people don't want to force people to buy guns or keep guns if they don't want them. Most anti-gunners support banning shit or confiscation.

One side is content with being left alone and leaving the other side alone. The other side doesn't believe in such things, or compromise. I used to believe in the myth of compromising on this issue. However, time and time again, the grabbers have shown that they'll push the envelope further.


Yeah i have been having this basic debate issue in the alcohol chat and a few others. Folks get angry that i push back on em. Its like they are the ones wanting to make beer etc illegal or ban the internet i just want to be left alone. Yes if they say stupid things my obligation to be polite is minimal lol. Then they get sad and grab a mod , like im here to talk policy and reality not folks feelings. i have to s of feelings and guess what their worthless.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Feb 13, 2023 6:23 pm

Techocracy101010 wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Well it's the inability to live and let live.

Most pro-gun people don't want to force people to buy guns or keep guns if they don't want them. Most anti-gunners support banning shit or confiscation.

One side is content with being left alone and leaving the other side alone. The other side doesn't believe in such things, or compromise. I used to believe in the myth of compromising on this issue. However, time and time again, the grabbers have shown that they'll push the envelope further.


Yeah i have been having this basic debate issue in the alcohol chat and a few others. Folks get angry that i push back on em. Its like they are the ones wanting to make beer etc illegal or ban the internet i just want to be left alone. Yes if they say stupid things my obligation to be polite is minimal lol. Then they get sad and grab a mod , like im here to talk policy and reality not folks feelings. i have to s of feelings and guess what their worthless.

The projection they often display is pretty fascinating too. Calling people like you and I deranged and the such, despite their overall refusal to engage with the facts and reality. Surprisingly nasty folks.
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Postby Techocracy101010 » Mon Feb 13, 2023 9:31 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Techocracy101010 wrote:
Yeah i have been having this basic debate issue in the alcohol chat and a few others. Folks get angry that i push back on em. Its like they are the ones wanting to make beer etc illegal or ban the internet i just want to be left alone. Yes if they say stupid things my obligation to be polite is minimal lol. Then they get sad and grab a mod , like im here to talk policy and reality not folks feelings. i have to s of feelings and guess what their worthless.

The projection they often display is pretty fascinating too. Calling people like you and I deranged and the such, despite their overall refusal to engage with the facts and reality. Surprisingly nasty folks.

It drives me nuts cause its like civics and history 101 tier stuff snd policy 101 that should have been learned in high school. The lack of critical thinking on multiple levels is astounding to me.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Feb 13, 2023 9:32 pm

Techocracy101010 wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:The projection they often display is pretty fascinating too. Calling people like you and I deranged and the such, despite their overall refusal to engage with the facts and reality. Surprisingly nasty folks.

It drives me nuts cause its like civics and history 101 tier stuff snd policy 101 that should have been learned in high school. The lack of critical thinking on multiple levels is astounding to me.

Also a background in stats would help in debunking grabber propaganda.
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:04 pm

Well, security footage of the MSU shooting appear to show a pistol, not a long gun. So it will be out of the news by Thursday.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:49 pm

Tarsonis wrote:Well, security footage of the MSU shooting appear to show a pistol, not a long gun. So it will be out of the news by Thursday.

Suspect description will also ensure that the national media doesn't fixate on it.

Probably for the best. The last thing we need is for more notoriety and infamy for these scumfucks.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
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Postby Haganham » Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:44 am

Techocracy101010 wrote:either way anti gunners have earned their reputation due to their inability to do basic stats , their inability to understand the constitution , American history and law. Like seriously their clowns lol. I know someone will get their feelings hurt over me calling em clowns but uhh wtf am i supposed to call folk who are just wrong and insist on being wrong ? Like the only thing you can do is laugh at them

Do not treat them like clowns. It needs to be stressed that every time they pop out of the woodwork they are derailing legitimate discourse that is needed to address the social decay that leads to violence.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:03 am

Haganham wrote:
Techocracy101010 wrote:either way anti gunners have earned their reputation due to their inability to do basic stats , their inability to understand the constitution , American history and law. Like seriously their clowns lol. I know someone will get their feelings hurt over me calling em clowns but uhh wtf am i supposed to call folk who are just wrong and insist on being wrong ? Like the only thing you can do is laugh at them

Do not treat them like clowns. It needs to be stressed that every time they pop out of the woodwork they are derailing legitimate discourse that is needed to address the social decay that leads to violence.

They do the bidding of the ruling class. It's easier to focus on the guns than the billions needed to deal with socio-economic woes.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:01 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:Well, security footage of the MSU shooting appear to show a pistol, not a long gun. So it will be out of the news by Thursday.

Suspect description will also ensure that the national media doesn't fixate on it.

Probably for the best. The last thing we need is for more notoriety and infamy for these scumfucks.

GFZ FTW.
Maybe they need to start putting up murder free zones next to the gun free zones?
As to news cycle, well last week, I think, was the first time I heard the new term "assault pistol". Which can let them do their song and dance about enacting another awb/mag ban, more background checks, yadda, yadda, and then a stint on how racist the current state firearms law are and the need to restrict 2nd Amendment rights.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:08 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Suspect description will also ensure that the national media doesn't fixate on it.

Probably for the best. The last thing we need is for more notoriety and infamy for these scumfucks.

GFZ FTW.
Maybe they need to start putting up murder free zones next to the gun free zones?
As to news cycle, well last week, I think, was the first time I heard the new term "assault pistol". Which can let them do their song and dance about enacting another awb/mag ban, more background checks, yadda, yadda, and then a stint on how racist the current state firearms law are and the need to restrict 2nd Amendment rights.

Let me guess, an "assault pistol" is literally a normal semiautomatic pistol that's been in common use since John Moses Browning blessed us with the Colt M1900...
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:52 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Suspect description will also ensure that the national media doesn't fixate on it.

Probably for the best. The last thing we need is for more notoriety and infamy for these scumfucks.

GFZ FTW.
Maybe they need to start putting up murder free zones next to the gun free zones?
As to news cycle, well last week, I think, was the first time I heard the new term "assault pistol". Which can let them do their song and dance about enacting another awb/mag ban, more background checks, yadda, yadda, and then a stint on how racist the current state firearms law are and the need to restrict 2nd Amendment rights.

Letting minorities arm themselves with the firepower they need to defend themselves is literally white supremacy.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Feb 14, 2023 7:31 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:Let me guess, an "assault pistol" is literally a normal semiautomatic pistol that's been in common use since John Moses Browning blessed us with the Colt M1900...

Basically. Just another round of "let's throw shit against the wall and see what sticks"

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:GFZ FTW.
Maybe they need to start putting up murder free zones next to the gun free zones?
As to news cycle, well last week, I think, was the first time I heard the new term "assault pistol". Which can let them do their song and dance about enacting another awb/mag ban, more background checks, yadda, yadda, and then a stint on how racist the current state firearms law are and the need to restrict 2nd Amendment rights.

Letting minorities arm themselves with the firepower they need to defend themselves is literally white supremacy.


Well don't ya know, the 2nd Amendment is about white supremacy and letting minorities exercise their natural negative right to arms is embracing white supremacy or turning them into white supremacists or some such nonsense.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Feb 14, 2023 8:30 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Let me guess, an "assault pistol" is literally a normal semiautomatic pistol that's been in common use since John Moses Browning blessed us with the Colt M1900...

Basically. Just another round of "let's throw shit against the wall and see what sticks"

Greater Cesnica wrote:Letting minorities arm themselves with the firepower they need to defend themselves is literally white supremacy.


Well don't ya know, the 2nd Amendment is about white supremacy and letting minorities exercise their natural negative right to arms is embracing white supremacy or turning them into white supremacists or some such nonsense.

Telling that they won't actually say that to the face of said people who, despite media brainwashing, get firearms anyways.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:46 am

WEEEEEEEEE. shit just got real for illinois.
Federal District Court Judge Orders Illinois to Show Examples of Every Newly-Banned Firearm
24 – Feb 13, 2023 – ORDER: Within the response to 16 Motion for Preliminary Injunction, Defendants shall provide illustrative examples of each and every item banned under 720 ILCS 5/24-1.9. Signed by Judge Stephen P. McGlynn on 2/13/2023. (jce)THIS TEXT ENTRY IS AN ORDER OF THE COURT. NO FURTHER DOCUMENTATION WILL BE MAILED. (Entered: 02/13/2023)


Have fun AG kwame raoul, gathering literally 1000's of varying pattern firearm illustrations not to mention the minutia bullshit that you included in the ban such as parts kits and magazines.
IMO, this is going to be a very tall next to impossible to accomplish for the AG.
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Postby Techocracy101010 » Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:26 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Suspect description will also ensure that the national media doesn't fixate on it.

Probably for the best. The last thing we need is for more notoriety and infamy for these scumfucks.

GFZ FTW.
Maybe they need to start putting up murder free zones next to the gun free zones?
As to news cycle, well last week, I think, was the first time I heard the new term "assault pistol". Which can let them do their song and dance about enacting another awb/mag ban, more background checks, yadda, yadda, and then a stint on how racist the current state firearms law are and the need to restrict 2nd Amendment rights.


dude had a felony weapons charge but was only held for 24 hours before no bail release. GREAT JOB SOFT ON VIOLENT CRIME CROWD. Like look non violent drug crimes should be no jail but assault, weapons charges ,domestic violence minimum 15 years . Violent criminals always escalate their like dogs who bite

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:55 am

Techocracy101010 wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:GFZ FTW.
Maybe they need to start putting up murder free zones next to the gun free zones?
As to news cycle, well last week, I think, was the first time I heard the new term "assault pistol". Which can let them do their song and dance about enacting another awb/mag ban, more background checks, yadda, yadda, and then a stint on how racist the current state firearms law are and the need to restrict 2nd Amendment rights.


dude had a felony weapons charge but was only held for 24 hours before no bail release. GREAT JOB SOFT ON VIOLENT CRIME CROWD. Like look non violent drug crimes should be no jail but assault, weapons charges ,domestic violence minimum 15 years . Violent criminals always escalate their like dogs who bite

Motive of course seems to be mysterious. He had no connection to MSU.
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