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Alba and Cymru
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Postby Alba and Cymru » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:16 am

Following new legislation in the World Assembly, repeat sex-offenders in Alba and Cymru are often found beaten and executed by paramilitary organizations rather than castrated.
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Postby The New Sicilian State » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:35 am

OOC: That's four repeal proposals already in the list, all of them less than five sentences, and that's before the "InstaRepeal!" has been submitted :blink:
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Postby Auze » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:41 am

Xuzaqiy wrote:If anything, all males should be reversibly sterilised at birth. After taking a parental test, if a couple are deemed to be suitable parents, the sterilisation may be reversed. This would cover the following:
- Less accidental pregnancies
- Lower population growth
- Reduction of pregnancies from rape
- Less struggles for disadvantaged families that are expecting children

In my eyes, this is a perfect system. Without being a responsible parent, one should not be allowed to have children. Also consider that the parental test would not be straightforward but not impossible - after all, there are citizenship tests.

"Why males? Anyway, that would lead to a ridiculous number of hormonal problems, among others. Not to mention that the reversal's success is not guaranteed..."
Alba and Cymru wrote:Following new legislation in the World Assembly, repeat sex-offenders in Alba and Cymru are often found beaten and executed by paramilitary organizations rather than castrated.

"I see nothing but improvement, as that lowers recidivism rate by 100%, a significant improvement over that of castration. I personally recommend circumcision if you want to punish them without killing or changing things to be less sex offenders."
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:09 am

Xuzaqiy wrote:If anything, all males should be reversibly sterilised at birth.


Why men? Why not reversibly sterilize women? Both genders are capable of rape and accidental pregnancy.
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Postby Xuzaqiy » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:50 pm

Hi everyone,

I only specified 'males' because I was referring to all genders that are capable of producing sperm. Forgive me if I was hard to understand.
I am sure that you will agree that it is easier to sterilise males than female (all genders that produce eggs), while I am aware that women are capable of sexually abusing males and in doing so get pregnant (this is not classified as rape). In my country Xuzaqiy at least, technology has advanced sufficiently far that we have been able to reduce the activity of seminiferous tubules, and reducing the sperm count dramatically. Hence, there are little hormonal effects on the recipients. As this can be reversed easily, males do not suffer from a complex operation.
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Postby Auze » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:01 pm

Xuzaqiy wrote:Hi everyone,

I only specified 'males' because I was referring to all genders that are capable of producing sperm. Forgive me if I was hard to understand.
I am sure that you will agree that it is easier to sterilise males than female (all genders that produce eggs), while I am aware that women are capable of sexually abusing males and in doing so get pregnant (this is not classified as rape).

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Postby Alba and Cymru » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:34 pm

Xuzaqiy wrote:I am sure that you will agree that it is easier to sterilise males than female (all genders that produce eggs), while I am aware that women are capable of sexually abusing males and in doing so get pregnant (this is not classified as rape).


"But... ambassador, the act of unconsented physical and sexual exploitation of another person is rape. I don't know why women would be exempt from this concept. Could you explain in more detail?"
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Postby Auze » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:40 pm

Alba and Cymru wrote:
Xuzaqiy wrote:I am sure that you will agree that it is easier to sterilise males than female (all genders that produce eggs), while I am aware that women are capable of sexually abusing males and in doing so get pregnant (this is not classified as rape).


"But... ambassador, the act of unconsented physical and sexual exploitation of another person is rape. I don't know why women would be exempt from this concept. Could you explain in more detail?"

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Postby Xuzaqiy » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:10 pm

Alba and Cymru wrote:
Xuzaqiy wrote:I am sure that you will agree that it is easier to sterilise males than female (all genders that produce eggs), while I am aware that women are capable of sexually abusing males and in doing so get pregnant (this is not classified as rape).


"But... ambassador, the act of unconsented physical and sexual exploitation of another person is rape. I don't know why women would be exempt from this concept. Could you explain in more detail?"


Greeting Leader of Alba and Cymru,

In this context, what I meant was that
women can get themselves pregnant forcefullly with a man but this is not classified as rape.
It would appear that you have given me no choice but to explain that rape involves penetration, and if a woman forcefully has sexual intercourse with a man, this is not rape. Women are not exempt from being able to rape very clearly.

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Postby Xuzaqiy » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:54 am

Maowi wrote:"Sterilising sexual offenders neither undoes their past offences, nor does it prevent future ones. It is a cruel and useless punishment that in no way contributes to any sort of rehabilitation of the offender or to the protection of society from the offender."

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Hi Maowi,

I would disagree on this point as many people have become pregnant after being raped. The psychological effects of having a rapist's baby or aborting the baby can have long-lasting psychological effects. This is why I firmly support sterilisation of sex offenders, if not capital punishment.

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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:59 am

Xuzaqiy wrote:I am aware that women are capable of sexually abusing males and in doing so get pregnant (this is not classified as rape).


That is, by legal definition, rape. Rape is unlawful, forced, sexual activity.
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Xuzaqiy
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Postby Xuzaqiy » Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:32 am

No. Rape is, by definition, any sexual intercourse or sexual penetration. A woman can forcefully have sexual intercourse with a man and this is not classified as rape under the law of England and Wales.

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Postby The New Nordic Union » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:04 am

Xuzaqiy wrote:No. Rape is, by definition, any sexual intercourse or sexual penetration. A woman can forcefully have sexual intercourse with a man and this is not classified as rape under the law of England and Wales.


OOC: I think this can end here; this is not NSG, this is about Maowi's (passed) proposal. Suffice to say that a discussion about what constitutes rape (which, by the way, ignores all but one RL legal systems, not to speak of the various IC ones) has nothing to do with the proposal.
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