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Should flavored e juices be banned?

Yes, for teh children!
19
9%
Yes, and we shouldn't just stop there! Ban vapes, e-cigs, and tobacco! Prohibition for all!
67
31%
Undecided.
23
11%
No, this is just more government regulation into Americans personal lives.
108
50%
 
Total votes : 217

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Trump to ban flavored e juices.

Postby Medwind » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:04 pm

The administration is moving to ban flavored vape pens/juices. Where do you stand on this issue? Personally I find it absurd, hundreds of thousands of people die every year from tobacco smoking, yet the administration is focusing on a product which is aimed to help smokers. Many people claim it is "for the children" yet, it is illegal for children to buy vape products, so how does that make sense? Alcohol kills tens of thousands a year, should we ban alcohol having different flavors then? Are children the only group in the US that likes the flavor of bubble gum, cherries, or blueberries, etc.? What sense does this make? To me it just seems another step in prohibitionist movements, which are doomed to failure, as usual.

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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:08 pm

I'm going to buy a lifetime supply of flavored e-juice ingredients ASAP, and then it won't matter what the government thinks about it. :evil:

As you might expect, I'm really pissed off at this ridiculous, mindless, panic-level government intrusion. Making it worse is that the "mysterious unnamed lung illness" is not connected to nicotine-only e-juice, but stuff that contains THC or CBD oil. This ban is as tangential as banning cars to try to stop scooter accidents.
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Postby Medwind » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:16 pm

Victorious Decepticons wrote:I'm going to buy a lifetime supply of flavored e-juice ingredients ASAP, and then it won't matter what the government thinks about it. :evil:

As you might expect, I'm really pissed off at this ridiculous, mindless, panic-level government intrusion. Making it worse is that the "mysterious unnamed lung illness" is not connected to nicotine-only e-juice, but stuff that contains THC or CBD oil. This ban is as tangential as banning cars to try to stop scooter accidents.


Yup, people are very ignorant about this subject. The truth is that these people are most likely vaping hard drugs, I doubt that it's even THC, it's probably SGT-25, or some form of spice/K-2. Hell, you can even vape meth! So people are punishing a law abiding, harmless industry that is trying to keep people from smoking a much more dangerous substance, all because a few people are abusing it by using stuff it's not meant for, from unsafe sources. It's along the lines of saying, "ban apples" sure, the majority of apple eaters are perfectly fine, but if they eat a ton of apple seeds they can die of cyanide poisoning!

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Postby Bombadil » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:19 pm

Melania caught Barron vaping, hence the ban - true story.
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Postby Pacomia » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:20 pm

Good. Flavoured vapes smell awful and they suck.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:22 pm

I'm sorry, what happened to Trump being the current Republican icon of personal freedom?
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Postby Spearos » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:22 pm

Pacomia wrote:Good. Flavoured vapes smell awful and they suck.


Nothing compared to the obnoxious, crude smell of normal cigarettes.

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Postby Medwind » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:24 pm

New haven america wrote:I'm sorry, what happened to Trump being the current Republican icon of personal freedom?

Yeah, I get more disillusioned and disappointed by the month. Wcyd, better than Hillary tho.

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Postby Medwind » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:25 pm

Pacomia wrote:Good. Flavoured vapes smell awful and they suck.

Opinion, and not a good excuse for a ban.

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Postby Holdac » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:26 pm

Victorious Decepticons wrote:I'm going to buy a lifetime supply of flavored e-juice ingredients ASAP, and then it won't matter what the government thinks about it. :evil:

As you might expect, I'm really pissed off at this ridiculous, mindless, panic-level government intrusion. Making it worse is that the "mysterious unnamed lung illness" is not connected to nicotine-only e-juice, but stuff that contains THC or CBD oil. This ban is as tangential as banning cars to try to stop scooter accidents.


you won't need a lifetime supply of e-juices, you won't even live that long! When the US banned alchohol in the 1920's, people tried making their own and ended up poisoning themselves.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:27 pm

Medwind wrote:
New haven america wrote:I'm sorry, what happened to Trump being the current Republican icon of personal freedom?

Yeah, I get more disillusioned and disappointed by the month. Wcyd, better than Hillary tho.

I'm sorry, who's Hillary?
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:28 pm

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Postby Cascadiuh » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:30 pm

About damn time.

And I say this as a junior in high school.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:32 pm

Medwind wrote:
New haven america wrote:I'm sorry, what happened to Trump being the current Republican icon of personal freedom?

Yeah, I get more disillusioned and disappointed by the month. Wcyd, better than Hillary tho.

Oh my god, why are Trump supporters still talking about Hillary? She's so fucking irrelevant.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:34 pm

Cascadiuh wrote:About damn time.

And I say this as a junior in high school.

And what does that have to do with anything?
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Postby UniversalCommons » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:34 pm

You know, miniaturized bongs are very good for you. They are much safer than regular cigarettes, there are less health effects. E-cigarettes manufacturers misrepresented the health effects of e-cigarettes. The ones that misrepresented themselves and committed fraud need to be put down. The other ones are fine.

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Postby Holdac » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:35 pm

Medwind wrote:
Victorious Decepticons wrote:I'm going to buy a lifetime supply of flavored e-juice ingredients ASAP, and then it won't matter what the government thinks about it. :evil:

As you might expect, I'm really pissed off at this ridiculous, mindless, panic-level government intrusion. Making it worse is that the "mysterious unnamed lung illness" is not connected to nicotine-only e-juice, but stuff that contains THC or CBD oil. This ban is as tangential as banning cars to try to stop scooter accidents.


Yup, people are very ignorant about this subject. The truth is that these people are most likely vaping hard drugs, I doubt that it's even THC, it's probably SGT-25, or some form of spice/K-2. Hell, you can even vape meth! So people are punishing a law abiding, harmless industry that is trying to keep people from smoking a much more dangerous substance, all because a few people are abusing it by using stuff it's not meant for, from unsafe sources. It's along the lines of saying, "ban apples" sure, the majority of apple eaters are perfectly fine, but if they eat a ton of apple seeds they can die of cyanide poisoning!


vape is nicotine. kids are having nicotine. nicotine is bad and addictive. glad they banned it.
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Postby Medwind » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:35 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Medwind wrote:Yeah, I get more disillusioned and disappointed by the month. Wcyd, better than Hillary tho.

Oh my god, why are Trump supporters still talking about Hillary? She's so fucking irrelevant.

Lol, my point was that I still prefer Trump over who was next in line for choices, despite being somewhat disappointed in the regime for a number of reasons, so it was *completely* relevant to my point, and I think I'll talk about WHOEVER I want too buddy, I don't need your input on that, thanks though!

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Postby Medwind » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:37 pm

Holdac wrote:
Medwind wrote:
Yup, people are very ignorant about this subject. The truth is that these people are most likely vaping hard drugs, I doubt that it's even THC, it's probably SGT-25, or some form of spice/K-2. Hell, you can even vape meth! So people are punishing a law abiding, harmless industry that is trying to keep people from smoking a much more dangerous substance, all because a few people are abusing it by using stuff it's not meant for, from unsafe sources. It's along the lines of saying, "ban apples" sure, the majority of apple eaters are perfectly fine, but if they eat a ton of apple seeds they can die of cyanide poisoning!


vape is nicotine. kids are having nicotine. nicotine is bad and addictive. glad they banned it.


That's a very simplistic view of the situation, for one, if kids are currently getting vape products, they are doing so illegally, so banning flavors would have no effect, as they are already breaking the law, another law would be ineffective. I could go on, but I'm tired of NS for the day.

TLDR: Prohibition never works!
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Postby Maaan » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:41 pm

Medwind wrote:
Holdac wrote:
vape is nicotine. kids are having nicotine. nicotine is bad and addictive. glad they banned it.


That's a very simplistic view of the situation, for one, if kids are currently getting vape products, they are doing so illegally, so banning flavors would have no effect, as they are already breaking the law, another law would be ineffective. I could go on, but I'm tired of NS for the day.

TLDR: Prohibition never works!

the flavors are addictive and meant for kids to get addicted to.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:46 pm

Holdac wrote:
Medwind wrote:
Yup, people are very ignorant about this subject. The truth is that these people are most likely vaping hard drugs, I doubt that it's even THC, it's probably SGT-25, or some form of spice/K-2. Hell, you can even vape meth! So people are punishing a law abiding, harmless industry that is trying to keep people from smoking a much more dangerous substance, all because a few people are abusing it by using stuff it's not meant for, from unsafe sources. It's along the lines of saying, "ban apples" sure, the majority of apple eaters are perfectly fine, but if they eat a ton of apple seeds they can die of cyanide poisoning!


vape is nicotine. kids are having nicotine. nicotine is bad and addictive. glad they banned it.

Not all juices contain nicotine, 0% is sold.
Eggplant, cauliflower, green tomato, green and black tea, peppers and capsicums and potato also contain nicotine.
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Postby Medwind » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:46 pm

Maaan wrote:
Medwind wrote:
That's a very simplistic view of the situation, for one, if kids are currently getting vape products, they are doing so illegally, so banning flavors would have no effect, as they are already breaking the law, another law would be ineffective. I could go on, but I'm tired of NS for the day.

TLDR: Prohibition never works!

the flavors are addictive and meant for kids to get addicted to.

*groans* No, the flavors are not addictive lol, where did you come up with this? Certainly not a scientific study. Is eating blueberries addictive to you? Lol smh. I'm very tired of NS today. NO They are NOT meant for kids to get addicted to! YOU CANNOT BUY THEM IF YOU ARE NOT OF AGE. They do NOT advertise to children. They do NOT advocate vaping if you are not already a smoker! Vaping is meant as an aid to stop smoking, for the most part. Damn, I'm very tired, and I'm worried I might say something I'll regret soon, think I'm on my last strike. Good bye. (don't @ me)

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Postby Holdac » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:50 pm

Medwind wrote:
Maaan wrote:the flavors are addictive and meant for kids to get addicted to.

*groans* No, the flavors are not addictive lol, where did you come up with this? Certainly not a scientific study. Is eating blueberries addictive to you? Lol smh. I'm very tired of NS today. NO They are NOT meant for kids to get addicted to! YOU CANNOT BUY THEM IF YOU ARE NOT OF AGE. They do NOT advertise to children. They do NOT advocate vaping if you are not already a smoker! Vaping is meant as an aid to stop smoking, for the most part. Damn, I'm very tired, and I'm worried I might say something I'll regret soon, think I'm on my last strike. Good bye. (don't @ me)

Okay, we leave e-juices alone. Now how do you solve kids vaping? also, you're telling me "blueberry blast" is supposed to be marketed towards adults? lol
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