The Thread Formerly Known As Communism Will Save The World

[Neanderthaland]

The universe is finite. Human desires are not. The human population continuously grows. That's why post-scarcity is Utopian.

The universe is infinite, but okay.
Beyond that, post scarcity doesn’t mean what you think it means.

It depends on what you mean, there are a finite number of stars, planets, protons, etc.

Though, at this point, we seem highly unlikely to exhaust our supply of them, before they exhaust their supply of us.

[GlobalControl]

The universe is infinite, but okay.
Beyond that, post scarcity doesn’t mean what you think it means.

It depends on what you mean, there are a finite number of stars, planets, protons, etc.

Though, at this point, we seem highly unlikely to exhaust our supply of them, before they exhaust their supply of us.

1. necro reeeee
2. Orions Arm when

[Kowani]

The universe is infinite, but okay.
Beyond that, post scarcity doesn’t mean what you think it means.

It depends on what you mean, there are a finite number of stars, planets, protons, etc.

Though, at this point, we seem highly unlikely to exhaust our supply of them, before they exhaust their supply of us.

None of this really disproves my point.

[Slavakino]

Waiting for this cancerous thread to lock

[Ifreann]

It's really interesting that people will dismiss something as impossible because it would be too good, too perfect, would improve society too much.

The universe is finite. Human desires are not.

Not necessarily.

The human population continuously grows.

No it doesn't.

That's why post-scarcity is Utopian.

That's why you think it's impossible. My point is that Cappuccina didn't argue that post-scarcity isn't possible, she just dismissed it as utopian. As if making the world more like a perfect society is inherently impossible.

Sure, but unrealistic and imaginary doesn't mean impossible. Lots of things were unrealistic and imaginary until people put enough effort into doing them.

Innovation can work wonders, but I have yet to hear of any that will allow mankind to reach post-scarcity.

And therefore it can't happen? If it was possible you would definitely have heard about it?

[Strahcoin]

The universe is finite. Human desires are not.

Not necessarily.

The human population continuously grows.

No it doesn't.

That's why post-scarcity is Utopian.

That's why you think it's impossible. My point is that Cappuccina didn't argue that post-scarcity isn't possible, she just dismissed it as utopian. As if making the world more like a perfect society is inherently impossible.

Innovation can work wonders, but I have yet to hear of any that will allow mankind to reach post-scarcity.

And therefore it can't happen? If it was possible you would definitely have heard about it?

1. The amount of usable energy/matter is finite. According to the Big Bang Theory, all of the matter in the universe was contained in a singularity before it greatly expanded. If it was infinite, then the matter would still be infinitely concentrated (regardless of the diameter of the universe), for the universe cannot expanded infinitely quickly.
And regardless, the observable universe (the universe we can observe) is definitely finite due to the limited speed of light. We can never travel faster than the speed of light, so it really wouldn't matter whether there is infinitely plentiful resources outside of the observable universe.
2. Population Estimates/Counts:
1910 AD: 1.75 billion
1950 AD: 2.557 billion
2000 AD: 6.094 billion
It's growing.
3. I'm all for making the world a better place (closer to perfection). However, making it perfect (which is what post-scarcity is) is impossible.
Not to mention that communism/socialism will drag civilization away from perfection.
4. Therefore, we shouldn't rush to find the means of transitioning to another (failed, by the way) system when the current system is great for the vast majority of people under it.

[Nova Cyberia]

It depends on what you mean, there are a finite number of stars, planets, protons, etc.

Though, at this point, we seem highly unlikely to exhaust our supply of them, before they exhaust their supply of us.

None of this really disproves my point.

According to scientists the universe is expanding.

So, if it's expanding then that means there must be an end to it somewhere.

[Kowani]

None of this really disproves my point.

According to scientists the universe is expanding.

So, if it's expanding then that means there must be an end to it somewhere.

Universal expansion doesn’t work the way you think it does.

[Nova Cyberia]

According to scientists the universe is expanding.

So, if it's expanding then that means there must be an end to it somewhere.

Universal expansion doesn’t work the way you think it does.

I don't think so. The galaxies are getting further and further apart. Why? Because the universe is getting bigger.

[Ifreann]

Not necessarily.

No it doesn't.

That's why you think it's impossible. My point is that Cappuccina didn't argue that post-scarcity isn't possible, she just dismissed it as utopian. As if making the world more like a perfect society is inherently impossible.


And therefore it can't happen? If it was possible you would definitely have heard about it?

1. The amount of usable energy/matter is finite. According to the Big Bang Theory, all of the matter in the universe was contained in a singularity before it greatly expanded. If it was infinite, then the matter would still be infinitely concentrated (regardless of the diameter of the universe), for the universe cannot expanded infinitely quickly.
And regardless, the observable universe (the universe we can observe) is definitely finite due to the limited speed of light. We can never travel faster than the speed of light, so it really wouldn't matter whether there is infinitely plentiful resources outside of the observable universe.

I wasn't talking about the universe.

2. Population Estimates/Counts:
1910 AD: 1.75 billion
1950 AD: 2.557 billion
2000 AD: 6.094 billion
It's growing.

Now. At times it has declined. At times it has remained steady.

3. I'm all for making the world a better place (closer to perfection). However, making it perfect (which is what post-scarcity is) is impossible.

Depends what one means by "perfect".

Not to mention that communism/socialism will drag civilization away from perfection.

Depends what one means by "perfection".

4. Therefore, we shouldn't rush to find the means of transitioning to another (failed, by the way) system when the current system is great for the vast majority of people under it.

Even in wealthy, first world countries, people struggle to put a roof over their heads and food on the table, when society as a whole has more food and housing than we need. Even people who aren't struggling to get by, live under constant stress, because if they were happy and content they wouldn't keep consuming. Capitalism isn't great for people, at all.

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Universal expansion doesn’t work the way you think it does.

I don't think so. The galaxies are getting further and further apart. Why? Because the universe is getting bigger.

That doesn't mean there must be an end to it somewhere.

[Nova Cyberia]

1. The amount of usable energy/matter is finite. According to the Big Bang Theory, all of the matter in the universe was contained in a singularity before it greatly expanded. If it was infinite, then the matter would still be infinitely concentrated (regardless of the diameter of the universe), for the universe cannot expanded infinitely quickly.
And regardless, the observable universe (the universe we can observe) is definitely finite due to the limited speed of light. We can never travel faster than the speed of light, so it really wouldn't matter whether there is infinitely plentiful resources outside of the observable universe.

I wasn't talking about the universe.

2. Population Estimates/Counts:
1910 AD: 1.75 billion
1950 AD: 2.557 billion
2000 AD: 6.094 billion
It's growing.

Now. At times it has declined. At times it has remained steady.

3. I'm all for making the world a better place (closer to perfection). However, making it perfect (which is what post-scarcity is) is impossible.

Depends what one means by "perfect".

Not to mention that communism/socialism will drag civilization away from perfection.

Depends what one means by "perfection".

4. Therefore, we shouldn't rush to find the means of transitioning to another (failed, by the way) system when the current system is great for the vast majority of people under it.

Even in wealthy, first world countries, people struggle to put a roof over their heads and food on the table, when society as a whole has more food and housing than we need. Even people who aren't struggling to get by, live under constant stress, because if they were happy and content they wouldn't keep consuming. Capitalism isn't great for people, at all.

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I don't think so. The galaxies are getting further and further apart. Why? Because the universe is getting bigger.

That doesn't mean there must be an end to it somewhere.

That's illogical. Something cannot expand if its infinite.

[Ifreann]

I wasn't talking about the universe.


Now. At times it has declined. At times it has remained steady.


Depends what one means by "perfect".

Depends what one means by "perfection".

Even in wealthy, first world countries, people struggle to put a roof over their heads and food on the table, when society as a whole has more food and housing than we need. Even people who aren't struggling to get by, live under constant stress, because if they were happy and content they wouldn't keep consuming. Capitalism isn't great for people, at all.

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That doesn't mean there must be an end to it somewhere.

That's illogical. Something cannot expand if its infinite.

What's infinity plus one?

[Nova Cyberia]

That's illogical. Something cannot expand if its infinite.

What's infinity plus one?

4?

[Ifreann]

What's infinity plus one?

4?

Close, but it's infinity. Infinity is kinda weird.

[Cekoviu]

I wasn't talking about the universe.


Now. At times it has declined. At times it has remained steady.


Depends what one means by "perfect".

Depends what one means by "perfection".

Even in wealthy, first world countries, people struggle to put a roof over their heads and food on the table, when society as a whole has more food and housing than we need. Even people who aren't struggling to get by, live under constant stress, because if they were happy and content they wouldn't keep consuming. Capitalism isn't great for people, at all.

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That doesn't mean there must be an end to it somewhere.

That's illogical. Something cannot expand if its infinite.

Uh oh, somebody'd better phone divergent series.

[Kubra]

It's really interesting that people will dismiss something as impossible because it would be too good, too perfect, would improve society too much.

The universe is finite. Human desires are not. The human population continuously grows. That's why post-scarcity is Utopian.

Sure, but unrealistic and imaginary doesn't mean impossible. Lots of things were unrealistic and imaginary until people put enough effort into doing them.

Innovation can work wonders, but I have yet to hear of any that will allow mankind to reach post-scarcity.

It's not as if current society does not consume and expend the finite energy of the universe.
Like, what, you wanna go back to hunter-gather societies, then?

[GlobalControl]

4?

Close, but it's infinity. Infinity is kinda weird.

How many nines does the number that comes before infinity have

[Ifreann]

Close, but it's infinity. Infinity is kinda weird.

How many nines does the number that comes before infinity have

Yes.

[GlobalControl]

How many nines does the number that comes before infinity have

Yes.

Fair enough.

[Nogodia]

Close, but it's infinity. Infinity is kinda weird.

How many nines does the number that comes before infinity have

Infinite.

[Antef]

Well, the way the world is moving, with Russia and China's efforts in de-dollarization, many other countries will do the same.

Smaller, Third world countries, will stop using big bad euro and dollar to trade, will use their own money to do so instead, there are quite a lot of trade agreements between China, India, and Russia, where they exchange their own national money, rather than use Dollar as Capitalism intended, go research it, its happening.

Capitalism will become the next communism. A failure.

We need a better, economic model. In just Africa, countless people is suffering from starvation, dying! there are literal war lords running about, but nobody can do anything because of Capitalism, with these two facts alone, Capitalism is destined to fall.

In 10 to 15 years, dollar will lose its meaning, even cause another great depression in US.

[Farnhamia]

Well, the way the world is moving, with Russia and China's efforts in de-dollarization, many other countries will do the same.

Smaller, Third world countries, will stop using big bad euro and dollar to trade, will use their own money to do so instead, there are quite a lot of trade agreements between China, India, and Russia, where they exchange their own national money, rather than use Dollar as Capitalism intended, go research it, its happening.

Capitalism will become the next communism. A failure.

We need a better, economic model. In just Africa, countless people is suffering from starvation, dying! there are literal war lords running about, but nobody can do anything because of Capitalism, with these two facts alone, Capitalism is destined to fall.

In 10 to 15 years, dollar will lose its meaning, even cause another great depression in US.

I'd ask you for sources but, well, you dug up a thread that had been lying peacefully dead for over two months, so ... I won't. If it's been more than four weeks, do not post.