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Google discourages politics in the workplace

Postby Aureumterra » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:53 am

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.c ... lists.html

Google on Friday released a new set of community guidelines that are meant to crack down on what employees can say inside the company.
Employees are now barred from making statements that "insult, demean, or humiliate" other employees, the company's extended workforce, business partners or others. The rules also discourage Google employees from engaging in a "raging debate over politics or the latest news story" and to avoid conversations that are generally disruptive.
"Our primarily responsibility is to do the work we've each been hired to do, not to spend working time on debates about non-work topics," the policy states. The rules explicitly discourage workers from talking about politics on Google's internal mailing lists and forums.
"Community guidelines exist to support the healthy and open discussion that has always been a part of our culture. They help create an environment where we can come together as a community in pursuit of our shared mission and serve our users," a Google spokesperson said in a statement.
"Working at Google comes with tremendous responsibility. Billions of people rely on us every day for high-quality, reliable information. It's critical that we honor that trust and uphold the integrity of our products and services. The guidelines are official policy and apply when employees are communicating in the workplace."
As part of the move, Google is also making changes to how it moderates discourse and enforces the new community guidelines on internal forums and mailing lists.
It's rolling out a "central flagging tool" that lets employees report content that may violate Google's rules and putting in place a new team of community managers that can review those flagged posts, a Google spokesperson said. Moderators will first try to educate employees on why they may have violated the rules, but can also enforce disciplinary actions where they see fit.
The new policies are a stark diversion from the internal culture Google has become known for. The company has traditionally fostered a culture of free speech and debate inside the company, with employees often getting into heated conversations about political and social issues.
This has led to extensive turmoil inside the company over what the limits of employee free speech should be. Many current and former Google employees have spoken out publicly about the issue.
Earlier this month, former Google engineer Kevin Cernekee claimed he was fired for being an outspoken conservative and alleged that Google fosters a culture of politically biased bullying. In 2017, James Damore, a former Google engineer, also claimed the company discriminated against him and others for having conservative views.
Last year, a group of liberal employees organized walkout protests for policies against sexual harassment. One of the employees who led the movement and later left the company alleged continued retaliation from Google's top brass.
Google has also faced heightened scrutiny from President Donald Trump and some Republican lawmakers who have accused the company of anti-conservative bias.
Another section of the guidelines encourages Google employees to be careful when discussing company activities publicly, instructing workers to not make false or misleading statements about Google products or businesses that could "undermine trust" in the company.


So Google finally implemented new guidelines limiting politics from the workplace. What does NSG think of this?

I’m happy Google is finally taking action on its political problem instead of remaining in a state of denial, and hopefully this will be one of the first steps to solving the bias problem in the company. This is coming a week or so following the release of the Project Veritas video and a subsequent PragerU video on the topic of political bias.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:02 am

It just means that the political crisis is spreading yet to another institution (Google) and that they decided to resort to heavy headed measures to keep it out of their pretenses. Whether or not this works out remains yet to be seen.

Given that they had to take those measures in the first place isn't a good sign however. Also it shows that their Corporate identity isnt strong or independent enough (anymore?) to avoid getting drawn into this conflict.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:17 am

Not particularly shocking that Google would prefer to have teams of drones working for them, not people.
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Postby Allanea » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:26 am

Ifreann wrote:Not particularly shocking that Google would prefer to have teams of drones working for them, not people.


Well here's some context as to the previous state of Google:

https://www.wired.com/story/inside-goog ... pany-tech/
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:03 am

The company's vaunted freedom and conversation dies when its dirty laundry is aired and it costs them money. Quelle suprise
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Postby Juristonia » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:08 am

This is coming a week or so following the release of the Project Veritas video and a subsequent PragerU video on the topic of political bias.


> Project Veritas
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Fucking lol.

If there's anyone that should wonder whether or not they might be a wee bit biased.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:12 am

Allanea wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Not particularly shocking that Google would prefer to have teams of drones working for them, not people.


Well here's some context as to the previous state of Google:

https://www.wired.com/story/inside-goog ... pany-tech/


Thanks that was an very interesting article.

Actually it makes their new policy entirely understandable. Seems like their corporate cohesion totally broke down in the past years. Also really, really poor management.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:13 am

Aureumterra wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/23/google-bans-political-discussion-on-internal-mailing-lists.html

Google on Friday released a new set of community guidelines that are meant to crack down on what employees can say inside the company.
Employees are now barred from making statements that "insult, demean, or humiliate" other employees, the company's extended workforce, business partners or others.

You meant to tell me that Google didn't have a "don't verbally abuse your coworkers" policy until now?

As for the rest of it, it sounds like the problem is less political conversations themselves and more ineffective supervisors not managing their subordinates properly.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:13 am

Well yea, google doesn't like it when workers have complaints relating to their company/business partners, and will file them under insult/humiliate/demean

but don't go off on your coworkers, like really.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:29 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/23/google-bans-political-discussion-on-internal-mailing-lists.html


You meant to tell me that Google didn't have a "don't verbally abuse your coworkers" policy until now?

As for the rest of it, it sounds like the problem is less political conversations themselves and more ineffective supervisors not managing their subordinates properly.


Read the wired article. What happened is that their internal structures imploded and the management had an exceedingly poor crisis management. Also they let too much outside drama flow into their own house.
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Postby Vallermoore » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:41 am

Maybe the workers should go on a one day strike and see how well Google does without them. On the other hand, if politics is causing serious trouble for Google, I suppose they have to do something about it.

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Postby Nakena » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:47 am

Vallermoore wrote:Maybe the workers should go on a one day strike and see how well Google does without them. On the other hand, if politics is causing serious trouble for Google, I suppose they have to do something about it.


It absolutly does. It is damaging their internal corporate cohesion, which is made a dozen times worse by management having been poorly handled the rising tensions to begin with until they escalated to a point where damage has been done to irreparable extends.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:48 am

Probably for the best tbh
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Postby 95X » Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:31 am

Rather than clicking a Google link, I went to CNBC's website directly. Here's the direct link: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/23/google-bans-political-discussion-on-internal-mailing-lists.html

The article makes it clear this is company policy for employees communicating with other employees on official channels. There's nothing wrong with a corporation saying 'if you want to talk about politics, where you work isn't the place to do it.'

Those of us who have worked in an office environment understand this, you're assigned a workspace and expected to work.

Suppose the person assigned to the desk next to you makes comments that make you feel unwelcome or otherwise makes it difficult for you to do your job. Or, suppose someone is forwarding chain messages, pictures, etc., that make you feel unwelcome and makes it diffucult for you to do your job on an internal messaging system you must use to perform your job.

So, the company is losing out in three ways: the person making the comments should instead be working, the person affected by the comments should be working, and the company is spending additional money having their bandwidth, electricity, and server disk space wasted in the transmission of the non-work-related content.

Saying 'let's not do this while we're supposed to be working' therefore implies higher workplace output and happier employees.
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Postby Aureumterra » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:13 am

95X wrote:Rather than clicking a Google link, I went to CNBC's website directly. Here's the direct link: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/23/google-bans-political-discussion-on-internal-mailing-lists.html

The article makes it clear this is company policy for employees communicating with other employees on official channels. There's nothing wrong with a corporation saying 'if you want to talk about politics, where you work isn't the place to do it.'

Those of us who have worked in an office environment understand this, you're assigned a workspace and expected to work.

Suppose the person assigned to the desk next to you makes comments that make you feel unwelcome or otherwise makes it difficult for you to do your job. Or, suppose someone is forwarding chain messages, pictures, etc., that make you feel unwelcome and makes it diffucult for you to do your job on an internal messaging system you must use to perform your job.

So, the company is losing out in three ways: the person making the comments should instead be working, the person affected by the comments should be working, and the company is spending additional money having their bandwidth, electricity, and server disk space wasted in the transmission of the non-work-related content.

Saying 'let's not do this while we're supposed to be working' therefore implies higher workplace output and happier employees.

It’s the same exact article
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Postby Aclion » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:16 am

I think google is tired of their political bias being leaked to the press thanks to loose lipped employees.
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Ifreann wrote:Not particularly shocking that Google would prefer to have teams of drones working for them, not people.

Are you mad google is taking steps to keep politics out of the workplace?
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Juristonia wrote:
This is coming a week or so following the release of the Project Veritas video and a subsequent PragerU video on the topic of political bias.


> Project Veritas
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Fucking lol.

If there's anyone that should wonder whether or not they might be a wee bit biased.


Veritas videos are fake and PragerU is basically political crusading powered by Youtube. I doubt Google made changes within because of a fake video.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:36 am

Nice try, Google, but you can't apoliticize a workplace. Everything is political, including the workplace. 8)
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Juristonia wrote:
This is coming a week or so following the release of the Project Veritas video and a subsequent PragerU video on the topic of political bias.


> Project Veritas
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Fucking lol.

If there's anyone that should wonder whether or not they might be a wee bit biased.

How dare you? PragerU is a totally real university that totally produces genuine academic content... like this incredible graph:

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Postby Aureumterra » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:41 am

Liriena wrote:Nice try, Google, but you can't apoliticize a workplace. Everything is political, including the workplace. 8)

I’m happy they’re trying, it’s about time big tech stopped it’s censorship
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Also, OP, the fuck do you think you are doing, citing the Project Veritas thing in your opinion after we spent days telling you why it was an unreliable source???
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Liriena wrote:Nice try, Google, but you can't apoliticize a workplace. Everything is political, including the workplace. 8)

I’m happy they’re trying, it’s about time big tech stopped it’s censorship

> "it's about time big tech stopped it's censorship"
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:58 am

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Ifreann wrote:Not particularly shocking that Google would prefer to have teams of drones working for them, not people.

Are you mad google is taking steps to keep politics out of the workplace?

"Mad" would be an overstatement, but yes.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:06 pm

Liriena wrote:Nice try, Google, but you can't apoliticize a workplace. Everything is political, including the workplace. 8)


In this particular case that would means turning the current ongoing political conflict in the Western World (and beyond) into an even bigger one by expanding the battlefields, and opening new fronts. Totaler Krieg.

Eitherway the Wired article shows and and explains in detail that this already happened in and it was rather poorly handled by the management.

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Liriena wrote:Also, OP, the fuck do you think you are doing, citing the Project Veritas thing in your opinion after we spent days telling you why it was an unreliable source???


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