Should we vote for women because they're women?

[Galloism]

Looking like another "Vaginas Are Evil" thread. Who in the forum unironically called for voting women solely on being women?

I don't know about the forum, but Madeline Albright did explicitly and unironically called for it while standing right next to Hillary Clinton, who seemed to approve of that level of sexism.

I dunno about the forum, I'd have to look at the history, but it's not an uncommon idea in society.

[The Blaatschapen]

We should get two more votes on the "as a male" option so that the poll looks like a penis.

[Big Jim P]

We should vote for the best candidate. Gender etc are irrelevant details.

[WayNeacTia]

We should vote for the best candidate. Gender etc are irrelevant details.

Blasphemy! We need to vote for the candidate that has spent the most money, and phoned us the most times. After all, every candidate does it time and time again, and manages to get elected. Must be the way.

[Cekoviu]

Revoke suffrage.


By their very nature women tend to want to help everything. By that same nature they seek to appease their feminine desire for independence, worldly possessions and often regardless of the costs to the dignity of others - as long as it feels like the right thing to do. Take any female ruler, anywhere in history and you see that that country has specifically declined in power, wealth and sovereignty during or after their rule.


-Hillary Clinton - its fairly easy to see how she has failed not only as a politician but even a decent human being. Her opposite would be Trump.
-Maria Theresa - The Holy Roman Empire, which was the largest and most influential state of the middle ages, that closest to God and church, was destroyed due to her weakness. This complete the process begun by the hypocrisy of the church and destroyed what was left of not only this Empire, but the last hope of a traditional conservative Europe until modern times, when Democracy had finally come full circle. It was due to her direct actions that Europe fractured and we were left open to communists, fascists, unbridled migration, genocides and the horrors of Napoleon and two world wars. Her opposite would be Frederick The Great, who almost saved the world from this process, but was hindered by self important nobility - to include Maria.
-Queen Victoria - The sun set on the Empire of Great Britain not long after her reign and very much so because of it. Her inability to have a strong hand in the expansion or maintenance of her Empire in favor of wasting her time on pleasure and leisure is something that is common of all female rulers.


It is not entirely because of females alone that we face the current political situation in the West, but if we don't wake up to the realities of human nature a country that is aware of them - Such as China, Russia or India will simply, naturally, force it's own weight on us. Many of you probably don't care about any raced based arguments, but ill make them. We will go extinct. Hitler having been proven correct in his evil predictions. We will be bred out. We owe it to our ancestors who strove for our futures to continue. No I am not a Nazi, I don't hate anyone. Just a good Tolkien fan I suppose. The reality is we are unique, beautiful, literally down to differences as minute as the bacteria that grow in our mouths. Not to mention that we Europeans are the true people of color. Think about it. What other peoples around the world have blonde or red hair, green, blue, silver or even hazel eyes than the Germanic and Celtic peoples?
If capitalism is the ring, socialism is the evil that lurks in its shadow. Don't believe lies, stop hating yourselves. Make white babies.

Are you BPS? This somehow manages to hit the exact level of cringe as he does.

[Cekoviu]

They do, they just use the term "assigned sex" instead of simply "sex"

Also I'm planning on getting SRS and I use it, so

So "assigned sex" is not "sex", but a synonym for gender?

If you're having a sex change or had one, it does make sense to use it.

No, assigned sex means the sex to which you were assigned at birth. For example, if you have a penis at birth, the doctor will likely assign you male. This can be different from sex for some trans people, including FAE.
And it's not true that the overwhelming majority of trans people are non-binary or women; it's just that those are a lot more common on this forum and places like Reddit.

[Neko-koku]

Why don't matriarchies tend to happen despite the fact that in many tropical societies women perform most of the labor? Due to male violence. That's right. The ability to fucking harm gets you more resources than the ability to contribute.

The universe is too evil to allow something as nice as a world of bunny rabbits or a peaceful world led by nice ladies to exist.

Yeah, the universe is chaotic.... but your apathy towards it is fucking annoying

I don't see any hope, man. I'm not interested in signalling optimism because all I see is shit. There is no world of bunnies. Instead there are wolves eating bunnies..

[Neko-koku]

Why don't matriarchies tend to happen despite the fact that in many tropical societies women perform most of the labor? Due to male violence. That's right. The ability to fucking harm gets you more resources than the ability to contribute.

The universe is too evil to allow something as nice as a world of bunny rabbits or a peaceful world led by nice ladies to exist.

Untrue, at least in the modern day, contributing gets you much more than violence, violence is a high risk and often low reward thing nowdays, in the future it's gonna change even more.

That's due to Anglo dominance and rapid tech growth. I hope that it will continue forever. However I'm not confidant. This beautiful world is built by England. Yet continental statists and authoritarians from French statism to Sinostatism are always trying to ruin it. Thankfully continental statism has lost war after war from 1815 to 1991. However it is conceivable for them to make another comeback.

[Jabberwocky]

Men have been screwing things up for a long time. Let's give women a chance to screw things up too.

[Ayissor]

Men have been screwing things up for a long time. Let's give women a chance to screw things up too.

Agreed, vote for me, I know how to screw up.

[American Princedoms]

So "assigned sex" is not "sex", but a synonym for gender?

If you're having a sex change or had one, it does make sense to use it.

No, assigned sex means the sex to which you were assigned at birth. For example, if you have a penis at birth, the doctor will likely assign you male. This can be different from sex for some trans people, including FAE.
And it's not true that the overwhelming majority of trans people are non-binary or women; it's just that those are a lot more common on this forum and places like Reddit.

Male and female are biological terms. It's not an assignment, it's an observation.

[Cekoviu]

No, assigned sex means the sex to which you were assigned at birth. For example, if you have a penis at birth, the doctor will likely assign you male. This can be different from sex for some trans people, including FAE.
And it's not true that the overwhelming majority of trans people are non-binary or women; it's just that those are a lot more common on this forum and places like Reddit.

Male and female are biological terms. It's not an assignment, it's an observation.

It's funny how you thought you could intimidate me by using the word 'biological', seeing as I'm actually a biology student and researcher.
But anyway, you clearly don't understand the matter at hand, so I will explain. Assigned sex at birth might be different from what your current sex may be. Sex is a complicated and multifaceted construct, but none of the functional requirements are contingent on what genitalia you were born with - in fact, they may actually run counter to other aspects of sex (even as one was born!). Assigned sex is not necessarily correct; in particular, doctors may misinterpret the sex of intersex people due to confusion with genitalia. You see, the nature of an observation is that it is subjective and conclusions made from it can be later proven wrong (in fact, that's a core part of science).

This is rather off-topic, so I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to continue this discussion in the Transgender Discussion Thread.

[Corunia and Mironor]

They do, they just use the term "assigned sex" instead of simply "sex"

Also I'm planning on getting SRS and I use it, so

So "assigned sex" is not "sex", but a synonym for gender?

If you're having a sex change or had one, it does make sense to use it.

No? Now I think you're intentionally being obtuse

[Purgatio]

Revoke suffrage.


By their very nature women tend to want to help everything. By that same nature they seek to appease their feminine desire for independence, worldly possessions and often regardless of the costs to the dignity of others - as long as it feels like the right thing to do. Take any female ruler, anywhere in history and you see that that country has specifically declined in power, wealth and sovereignty during or after their rule.


-Hillary Clinton - its fairly easy to see how she has failed not only as a politician but even a decent human being. Her opposite would be Trump.
-Maria Theresa - The Holy Roman Empire, which was the largest and most influential state of the middle ages, that closest to God and church, was destroyed due to her weakness. This complete the process begun by the hypocrisy of the church and destroyed what was left of not only this Empire, but the last hope of a traditional conservative Europe until modern times, when Democracy had finally come full circle. It was due to her direct actions that Europe fractured and we were left open to communists, fascists, unbridled migration, genocides and the horrors of Napoleon and two world wars. Her opposite would be Frederick The Great, who almost saved the world from this process, but was hindered by self important nobility - to include Maria.
-Queen Victoria - The sun set on the Empire of Great Britain not long after her reign and very much so because of it. Her inability to have a strong hand in the expansion or maintenance of her Empire in favor of wasting her time on pleasure and leisure is something that is common of all female rulers.


It is not entirely because of females alone that we face the current political situation in the West, but if we don't wake up to the realities of human nature a country that is aware of them - Such as China, Russia or India will simply, naturally, force it's own weight on us. Many of you probably don't care about any raced based arguments, but ill make them. We will go extinct. Hitler having been proven correct in his evil predictions. We will be bred out. We owe it to our ancestors who strove for our futures to continue. No I am not a Nazi, I don't hate anyone. Just a good Tolkien fan I suppose. The reality is we are unique, beautiful, literally down to differences as minute as the bacteria that grow in our mouths. Not to mention that we Europeans are the true people of color. Think about it. What other peoples around the world have blonde or red hair, green, blue, silver or even hazel eyes than the Germanic and Celtic peoples?
If capitalism is the ring, socialism is the evil that lurks in its shadow. Don't believe lies, stop hating yourselves. Make white babies.

Are you BPS? This somehow manages to hit the exact level of cringe as he does.

I thought I was the only one who had flashbacks to BPS's cringeworthy 'How Women Destroy Civilisations' when I read that diatribe. Yikes.

[Neko-koku]

Are you BPS? This somehow manages to hit the exact level of cringe as he does.

I thought I was the only one who had flashbacks to BPS's cringeworthy 'How Women Destroy Civilisations' when I read that diatribe. Yikes.

Who is BPS?

[Kowani]

I thought I was the only one who had flashbacks to BPS's cringeworthy 'How Women Destroy Civilisations' when I read that diatribe. Yikes.

Who is BPS?

A YouTuber of Shit Quality.

[Pacomia]

I wonder how the poll would be different if it was about voting for men because they’re men. Would there be more answers for top/bottom or less?

I feel like it’d be about the same.

[Second ASEAN]

I wonder how the poll would be different if it was about voting for men because they’re men. Would there be more answers for top/bottom or less?

I feel like it’d be about the same.

That would be good. We shouldn't vote according to gender.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Vote for a woman if she happens to be the most sensible candidate and is most likely to deliver on their promises. Don't vote for them on the basis of their gender/sex, that's just counter-productive because they might be totally incompetent like most politicians.

[Chestaan]

I agree that we need more women in political office, but assuming that that will automatically fix society and end sexism is absurd. There's a sort of fallacy that seems to be that any woman candidate will be progressive. This is of course bullshit, as we can see from the female leaders and politicians in recent times, such as Angela Merkel, Arlene Foster, Theresa May and Hillary Clinton.

[Freaneet]

Yes. We must level the playing field at all costs.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

No, assigned sex means the sex to which you were assigned at birth. For example, if you have a penis at birth, the doctor will likely assign you male. This can be different from sex for some trans people, including FAE.
And it's not true that the overwhelming majority of trans people are non-binary or women; it's just that those are a lot more common on this forum and places like Reddit.

Ehhh, I was going to argue this point but most of the tiny minority that'd use AFAB or AMAB overlap with the tiny minority that is intersex, so there's no real issue with using "assigned sex".

No? Now I think you're intentionally being obtuse

Not obtuse, just uninformed. I didn't fully appreciate AFAB and AMAB are intersex terminology because I've seen non-intersex people use them.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Yes. We must level the playing field at all costs.

[MineLegotia and Equestria]

No.

Please god no. We don't need to vote for people because they're the same [insert something here] with us. THAT already messed up my country.

Just vote for whoever works better. Female, or male. Just pick the one willing to work for you chaps!

[Kenmoria]

Yes. We must level the playing field at all costs.

I really hope this is sarcasm. Levelling the playing field would be giving everyone an equal chance of success via the removal of sexist legislation, for example laws that only give suffrage to half the population. Voting for women solely on the basis of their gender is fundamentally unequal, as it entails treating people differently on something they cannot reasonably control.