Michigan City Council Candidate: Keep Community white

[Neko-koku]

OK. Non-black Hispanic crime rate is higher than the white one but it isn't outrageous either. It's like at most 160-200% the white rate so it is still manageable. The absence of blacks explains why this works to some extant.

The absence of single moms and everyone having an income stream is probably a bigger part than that.

Uh..this correlates with lack of blackness.

[Purgatio]

I don't think people will care a lot about European-MENA difference in America 50 years later either. The MENA community is doing well and is fairly integrated here. It's a pretty much minor differences vastly amplified by religious conflicts to absurdly high levels. Just like the hatred between Japanese and Koreans it is artificial and without constant agitation will naturally fade.

Yeah the japanese vs Korean conflict is a weird one. The two ethnicities are so culturally similar to eaxh other and their languages might even be in the same family but there's a lot of bad blood there

It isn't that weird at all, Japanese and Korean culture and history is extremely-different it makes sense that they will hate each other. Only reason people seem to think otherwise is because both are East Asian and phenotypically look similar which really isn't enough. Most people probably can't tell the difference between someone who is Germanic and someone who is Slavic yet there was a pretty famous attempt by one to exterminate the other in recent history.

[Neko-koku]

Yeah the japanese vs Korean conflict is a weird one. The two ethnicities are so culturally similar to eaxh other and their languages might even be in the same family but there's a lot of bad blood there

It isn't that weird at all, Japanese and Korean culture and history is extremely-different it makes sense that they will hate each other. Only reason people seem to think otherwise is because both are East Asian and phenotypically look similar which really isn't enough. Most people probably can't tell the difference between someone who is Germanic and someone who is Slavic yet there was a pretty famous attempt by one to exterminate the other in recent history.

You need to get out of your bubble. Usually intense hatred only exists between similar cultures and that such similarity is acknowledged by all but themselves.

[Purgatio]

It isn't that weird at all, Japanese and Korean culture and history is extremely-different it makes sense that they will hate each other. Only reason people seem to think otherwise is because both are East Asian and phenotypically look similar which really isn't enough. Most people probably can't tell the difference between someone who is Germanic and someone who is Slavic yet there was a pretty famous attempt by one to exterminate the other in recent history.

You need to get out of your bubble. Usually intense hatred only exists between similar cultures and that such similarity is acknowledged by all but themselves.

If you think Japanese and Korean culture and history is the same, you're the one in the bubble man. No one who is well-informed about both cultures could possibly conclude this.

[Neko-koku]

You need to get out of your bubble. Usually intense hatred only exists between similar cultures and that such similarity is acknowledged by all but themselves.

If you think Japanese and Korean culture and history is the same, you're the one in the bubble man. No one who is well-informed about both cultures could possibly conclude this.

They aren't the same. However they are a lot more similar compared to Japan vs Russia or Japan vs India or Japan vs the Philippines. The Sinosphere objectively exists. You are now talking like Croatian nationalists who deny that Croats and Serbs do have similar cultures compared to Croats and Germans...

[Purgatio]

If you think Japanese and Korean culture and history is the same, you're the one in the bubble man. No one who is well-informed about both cultures could possibly conclude this.

They aren't the same. However they are a lot more similar compared to Japan vs Russia or Japan vs India or Japan vs the Philippines. The Sinosphere objectively exists. You are now talking like Croatian nationalists who deny that Croats and Serbs do have similar cultures compared to Croats and Germans...

Yes, obviously the Sinosphere or East Asian cultural sphere is a thing, but the original argument was that it's weird that the Japanese and Koreans hate each other when their culture is so similar. I'm saying they really aren't similar enough to suggest that it's 'only natural' for them to get along. In terms of religious belief, language, contemporary history and the ancestral civilisations they identify with, there are so many glaring differences that there's no reason to suppose a 'Korean + Japanese' society would be socially-harmonious. Whereas an only-Japanese or only-Korean society (or a society predominantly of one ethnicity and culture, like ROK or Japan) would have that social harmony, precisely because of those differences.

And your Croat and Serb example is pretty funny given, objectively-speaking, the cultural differences between the two were obviously enough to lead to irreconcilable ethnic conflict between the two groups, quite notably I'd say.

[Neko-koku]

They aren't the same. However they are a lot more similar compared to Japan vs Russia or Japan vs India or Japan vs the Philippines. The Sinosphere objectively exists. You are now talking like Croatian nationalists who deny that Croats and Serbs do have similar cultures compared to Croats and Germans...

Yes, obviously the Sinosphere or East Asian cultural sphere is a thing, but the original argument was that it's weird that the Japanese and Koreans hate each other when their culture is so similar. I'm saying they really aren't similar enough to suggest that it's 'only natural' for them to get along. In terms of religious belief, language, contemporary history and the ancestral civilisations they identify with, there are so many glaring differences that there's no reason to suppose a 'Korean + Japanese' society would be socially-harmonious. Whereas an only-Japanese or only-Korean society (or a society predominantly of one ethnicity and culture, like ROK or Japan) would have that social harmony, precisely because of those differences.

And your Croat and Serb example is pretty funny given, objectively-speaking, the cultural differences between the two were obviously enough to lead to irreconcilable ethnic conflict between the two groups, quite notably I'd say.

A lot of ethnic hatred is actually caused by political situations which arise when two peoples are neighbors instead of the amount of cultural differences. People often treat those who are similar but not exactly the same as outgroups (FUCK THEM!) and completely different folks as fargroups (exotic, interesting).

[Diopolis]

The absence of single moms and everyone having an income stream is probably a bigger part than that.

Uh..this correlates with lack of blackness.

True, but I’d consider that to be more cultural problems than genetic.

[Neko-koku]

Uh..this correlates with lack of blackness.

True, but I’d consider that to be more cultural problems than genetic.

I think it is mostly a genetic problem. It is easy to see that mainland mestizos have a lot lower crime rate compared to Spanish-speaking mulattos in Caribbean islands even though both are considered Hispanic.

[Rojava Free State]

Funny, I live in a working class area with low property values and lots of section 8, but it’s very safe with excellent police response times. And more or less the whole city is like that.

Because it is white?

I can tell you that the violent crime rate is very high among poor whites in my area. It's as bad as black on black crime

[Rojava Free State]

Yes, obviously the Sinosphere or East Asian cultural sphere is a thing, but the original argument was that it's weird that the Japanese and Koreans hate each other when their culture is so similar. I'm saying they really aren't similar enough to suggest that it's 'only natural' for them to get along. In terms of religious belief, language, contemporary history and the ancestral civilisations they identify with, there are so many glaring differences that there's no reason to suppose a 'Korean + Japanese' society would be socially-harmonious. Whereas an only-Japanese or only-Korean society (or a society predominantly of one ethnicity and culture, like ROK or Japan) would have that social harmony, precisely because of those differences.

And your Croat and Serb example is pretty funny given, objectively-speaking, the cultural differences between the two were obviously enough to lead to irreconcilable ethnic conflict between the two groups, quite notably I'd say.

A lot of ethnic hatred is actually caused by political situations which arise when two peoples are neighbors instead of the amount of cultural differences. People often treat those who are similar but not exactly the same as outgroups (FUCK THEM!) and completely different folks as fargroups (exotic, interesting).

Croatian, Serbian and Bosnian are all actually just dialects of the same language and speakers of any of those three can understand speakers from the other two groups

[Purgatio]

A lot of ethnic hatred is actually caused by political situations which arise when two peoples are neighbors instead of the amount of cultural differences. People often treat those who are similar but not exactly the same as outgroups (FUCK THEM!) and completely different folks as fargroups (exotic, interesting).

Croatian, Serbian and Bosnian are all actually just dialects of the same language and speakers of any of those three can understand speakers from the other two groups

There's much more to culture than just similarity of language, as evidenced by the fact that those three groups literally tried to exterminate one another, that's kind of a dead giveaway I'd say

[Purgatio]

Because it is white?

I can tell you that the violent crime rate is very high among poor whites in my area. It's as bad as black on black crime

So that this doesn't devolve into just anecdotal, let's cite a study that examined data on precisely this question, Wooldredge and Thistlewaite's 2003 study Neighbourhood Structure and Race-Specific Rates of Intimate Assault

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1745-9125.2003.tb00992.x

"We tested the applicability of ecological theory to an understanding of variation in race-specific rates of intimate assault across neighborhoods in Hamilton County, Ohio. The findings for the significant structural correlates of assault rates pooled across race groups provide support for Miles- Doan’s macro-level study of intimate assault rates in Duval County, Florida. More central to the purpose of our study, the nonsignificant differences between race-specific models in the strength of correlates involving neighborhood disadvantage and age structure provide support for the racial invariance thesis applied to these specific ecological indicators. These findings are also consistent with the support offered by Krivo and Peterson (1996) in their study of differences in violent crime rates and ecological conditions between predominantly black versus predominantly white neighborhoods in Columbus. Our study also extends this support through an alternative analysis that overcomes the shortcomings of prior neighborhood-level research identified by McNulty (2001), as well as the limitations inherent in not adjusting spatial autocorrelation among contiguous aggregates."

[Rojava Free State]

I can tell you that the violent crime rate is very high among poor whites in my area. It's as bad as black on black crime

So that this doesn't devolve into just anecdotal, let's cite a study that examined data on precisely this question, Wooldredge and Thistlewaite's 2003 study Neighbourhood Structure and Race-Specific Rates of Intimate Assault

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1745-9125.2003.tb00992.x

"We tested the applicability of ecological theory to an understanding of variation in race-specific rates of intimate assault across neighborhoods in Hamilton County, Ohio. The findings for the significant structural correlates of assault rates pooled across race groups provide support for Miles- Doan’s macro-level study of intimate assault rates in Duval County, Florida. More central to the purpose of our study, the nonsignificant differences between race-specific models in the strength of correlates involving neighborhood disadvantage and age structure provide support for the racial invariance thesis applied to these specific ecological indicators. These findings are also consistent with the support offered by Krivo and Peterson (1996) in their study of differences in violent crime rates and ecological conditions between predominantly black versus predominantly white neighborhoods in Columbus. Our study also extends this support through an alternative analysis that overcomes the shortcomings of prior neighborhood-level research identified by McNulty (2001), as well as the limitations inherent in not adjusting spatial autocorrelation among contiguous aggregates."

I was about to bring this study up actually.
In the end, economic factors are a bigger predictor of crime than race and when you control for poverty rates, there's basically no difference in crime rates between white and black Americans

[Bear Stearns]

So that this doesn't devolve into just anecdotal, let's cite a study that examined data on precisely this question, Wooldredge and Thistlewaite's 2003 study Neighbourhood Structure and Race-Specific Rates of Intimate Assault

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1745-9125.2003.tb00992.x

"We tested the applicability of ecological theory to an understanding of variation in race-specific rates of intimate assault across neighborhoods in Hamilton County, Ohio. The findings for the significant structural correlates of assault rates pooled across race groups provide support for Miles- Doan’s macro-level study of intimate assault rates in Duval County, Florida. More central to the purpose of our study, the nonsignificant differences between race-specific models in the strength of correlates involving neighborhood disadvantage and age structure provide support for the racial invariance thesis applied to these specific ecological indicators. These findings are also consistent with the support offered by Krivo and Peterson (1996) in their study of differences in violent crime rates and ecological conditions between predominantly black versus predominantly white neighborhoods in Columbus. Our study also extends this support through an alternative analysis that overcomes the shortcomings of prior neighborhood-level research identified by McNulty (2001), as well as the limitations inherent in not adjusting spatial autocorrelation among contiguous aggregates."

I was about to bring this study up actually.
In the end, economic factors are a bigger predictor of crime than race and when you control for poverty rates, there's basically no difference in crime rates between white and black Americans

Uhh...yeah there is.

[Rojava Free State]

I was about to bring this study up actually.
In the end, economic factors are a bigger predictor of crime than race and when you control for poverty rates, there's basically no difference in crime rates between white and black Americans

Uhh...yeah there is.

No there isn't

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_an ... ted_States

[Grand Proudhonia]

I mean its pretty easy to come to the conclusion that crime is more a result of poverty than race but at the same time the history of discrimination in The United States has put a dispraportionate numeber of african american individuals into the inner cities and other such poverty traps where lack of low income jobs, educational opportunities, ect leads to the growing gang problem. This further results in extra policing in these areas and the disproportionate incarceration of black individuals. In a way, discrimination is the cause of the difference because it has led to economic issues in the african american communities however I do not believe the traditional racial profiling theory is correct at all.

[EastKekistan]

Uhh...yeah there is.

No there isn't

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_an ... ted_States

Why is the same pattern true outside white majority countries and between countries too?