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Postby Kowani » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:34 am

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Humanity has come a very long way since we were hunter gatherers in Africa. The ability to manipulate the very code of life itself will remain one of our greatest achievements, I believe, if not for the ethics, in what it represents. And here, we have scientists manipulating (or trying to) the DNA of sperm, in this case to reduce the risk of cancer.

So, NSG-is this good or bad? Is this ethical? And genetic engineering as a whole-What should be done?

As should be obvious if you know me, I am all for this. Genetic engineering is a grand tool in the improvement of humanity, and it has the potential to aid so many people.
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Postby Xmara » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:37 am

As long as it’s only used for ethical purposes such as reducing cancer risk or correcting potentially fatal genetic defects, I’m fine.
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Postby Ravennog » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:37 am

In my opinion, this seems like a scientific miracle. Cancer is one of our biggest problems right now, and we should work together on reducing our risks of getting cancer, one step at a time.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:37 am

Genetically engineering people to have less cancer is good, but when do we genetically engineer people to have drug glands in their brains that they can consciously control?
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Postby Grenartia » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:39 am

I mean, as long as its not sterilizing people who don't want to be sterilized, and is only eliminating objectively detrimental genetic traits, I see no harm. So, yeah, that one gene that only increases cancer risk can be gotten rid of, but I'd say its unethical to, say, try to make a gene (or sequence of genes) that makes someone physically stronger. I'm also against removing, say, the traits responsible for sickle cell disease, since having one copy of that gene boosts one's resistance to malaria.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:40 am

Yeah, cancer is bad. Let's do this thing.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:41 am

Very cool. Yeah, science!
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Postby Galloism » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:42 am

Ifreann wrote:Genetically engineering people to have less cancer is good, but when do we genetically engineer people to have drug glands in their brains that they can consciously control?

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Postby The Krogan » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:43 am

Pffft, call me when they start making hybrid animal people, then we'll have something to talk about.
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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:44 am

The closer to getting God Mode on IRL we can get, the better. Anti-cancer recoding is the easiest thing to get even the most stupidly prudish "ethicists" on board, but IMO humanity is insane and morally wrong if it doesn't go ball-out for true superhuman status as soon as that is possible. I'm just itching for the day that adults can be successfully recoded too, so I can not only get rid of my physical glitches, but also gain Olympian-level genes or better, and completely delete age-related decline (and the resulting death) on top of that.
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Postby Pacomia » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:45 am

Sure, getting rid of diseases is good, but inevitably this is going to lead to some form of eugenics.
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Postby Page » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:46 am

In my view, the only legitimate ethical concern is the possibility of unintended consequences, that the kids born from this will be afflicted with some condition that will negatively affect their quality of life. Unfortunately, with this kind of science still in its infancy, that's a real concern. But if they can make sure that no detrimental conditions are passed down because of the genetic modification, then there's not a problem.
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Postby Risastorstein » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:46 am

Ifreann wrote:Genetically engineering people to have less cancer is good, but when do we genetically engineer people to have drug glands in their brains that they can consciously control?


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Postby Risastorstein » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:47 am

The Krogan wrote:Pffft, call me when they start making hybrid animal people, then we'll have something to talk about.


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Postby Grenartia » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:49 am

Pacomia wrote:Sure, getting rid of diseases is good, but inevitably this is going to lead to some form of eugenics.


That's my biggest fear from this. Superior ability breeds superior ambition, and not in a good way. No 'genetically superior' 'master race' on my watch.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:49 am

Page wrote:In my view, the only legitimate ethical concern is the possibility of unintended consequences, that the kids born from this will be afflicted with some condition that will negatively affect their quality of life. Unfortunately, with this kind of science still in its infancy, that's a real concern. But if they can make sure that no detrimental conditions are passed down because of the genetic modification, then there's not a problem.

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:52 am

Grenartia wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Sure, getting rid of diseases is good, but inevitably this is going to lead to some form of eugenics.


That's my biggest fear from this. Superior ability breeds superior ambition, and not in a good way. No 'genetically superior' 'master race' on my watch.


Yeah, we’ve already had that without genetic engineering, no reason to hold back science because of Star Trek.
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Postby Risastorstein » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:54 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:Yeah, we’ve already had that without genetic engineering, no reason to hold back science because of Star Trek.


That's like refusing modern medecine and technology because they create and reinforce some inequalities.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:55 am

Pacomia wrote:Sure, getting rid of diseases is good, but inevitably this is going to lead to some form of eugenics.

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Postby Grenartia » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:56 am

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Grenartia wrote:
That's my biggest fear from this. Superior ability breeds superior ambition, and not in a good way. No 'genetically superior' 'master race' on my watch.


Yeah, we’ve already had that without genetic engineering,


There were people who thought they had it, but considering the Third Reich rose and fell before the discovery of DNA, much less the mapping of the human genome, they really didn't.

However, that's no reason to give them an excuse to start up again.

no reason to hold back science because of Star Trek.


To be fair, its less "becuz Trek" and more "Trek just so happened to hit on a piece of wisdom that holds true".
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:01 am

Grenartia wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Yeah, we’ve already had that without genetic engineering,


There were people who thought they had it, but considering the Third Reich rose and fell before the discovery of DNA, much less the mapping of the human genome, they really didn't.

However, that's no reason to give them an excuse to start up again.

no reason to hold back science because of Star Trek.


To be fair, its less "becuz Trek" and more "Trek just so happened to hit on a piece of wisdom that holds true".


Exactly, they didn’t need DNA but they still called themselves the superior master race, and there were others before and after who thought the same. Modifying genetics isn’t going to magically create super intelligent super soldiers, it’ll just slowly raise the base line.
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Postby The Krogan » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:07 am

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The Krogan wrote:Pffft, call me when they start making hybrid animal people, then we'll have something to talk about.


Can we avoid the furry timeline, please?


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Postby Shamhnan Insir » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:09 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
That's my biggest fear from this. Superior ability breeds superior ambition, and not in a good way. No 'genetically superior' 'master race' on my watch.


Yeah, we’ve already had that without genetic engineering, no reason to hold back science because of Star Trek.

Cancer is a real bastard, and research into treatments and diagnoses should rightly be well funded.
However as Gren discusses eugenics, this is really the reason I am against genetic engineering of humans. Even with the greatest ethical checks and controls on the process, there will be at least one who will bend for payment from someone who wants their children to have a higher chance of greater IQ, or athletic ability, or blue eyes etc. Then it becomes a dark situation of botched jobs where children are born damaged and deranged all because mummy and daddy got greedy and wanted their vision of perfection.

As a species we have removed ourselves from so many of the natural selection factors that otherwise would effect our evolutionary pathway and that shapes us into what we are now. This is one step too far.
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Postby Grenartia » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:11 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
There were people who thought they had it, but considering the Third Reich rose and fell before the discovery of DNA, much less the mapping of the human genome, they really didn't.

However, that's no reason to give them an excuse to start up again.



To be fair, its less "becuz Trek" and more "Trek just so happened to hit on a piece of wisdom that holds true".


Exactly, they didn’t need DNA but they still called themselves the superior master race, and there were others before and after who thought the same.


Alright, we have people who already think there are superior races on the basis of some bullshit myth about IQ. What do you think will happen when people from certain races will start becoming, on average, stronger, smarter, healthier, etc. than the others? And that will inevitably happen, for reasons explained below.

Modifying genetics isn’t going to magically create super intelligent super soldiers, it’ll just slowly raise the base line.


Except, that "base line" won't actually be a "base line". It will reflect the socioeconomics of the societies that allow it. Including the racial disparities of that society.

Do you honestly think the availability of genetic improvements won't be tied to how rich someone is? Because short of a massive revolution before it becomes greenlit, it will be. And the richest (who are also the whitest) will inevitably get dibs on it, and lock out everyone else they possibly can from getting it, to maintain their advantages.
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Postby Earthbound Immortal Squad » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:14 am

Kowani wrote:https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/08/22/746321083/scientists-attempt-controversial-experiment-to-edit-dna-in-human-sperm-using-cri

Humanity has come a very long way since we were hunter gatherers in Africa. The ability to manipulate the very code of life itself will remain one of our greatest achievements, I believe, if not for the ethics, in what it represents. And here, we have scientists manipulating (or trying to) the DNA of sperm, in this case to reduce the risk of cancer.

So, NSG-is this good or bad? Is this ethical? And genetic engineering as a whole-What should be done?

As should be obvious if you know me, I am all for this. Genetic engineering is a grand tool in the improvement of humanity, and it has the potential to aid so many people.


If this was used responsibly then great, but most of the humans with power are not responsible and I'm not saying that as a reference to one person it is most of them.
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