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Republicans don't understand immigration

Postby GLDF » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:58 pm

Republicans act as if legal entry and residence to the United States. In reality, it is very hard and complicated to do so. Below is a simple diagram showing some parts of the green card obtaining process:
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59039fac7dea720c3d8b4d01-1136-1904.png
Keep in mind this does not accurately represent the difficulties nor is this an application for citizenship. A green card allows you to live and work in the country. There are very strict regulations and quotas that make many potential immigrants unable to stay in America.
Here is another good example: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil. ... t-get-line
It's not easy like many believe. It is silly to say that America is easily accessible when people who applied a long time ago still have applications pending.
For many people who need the ability most, it is totally unavailable. And that's still ignoring the hassle of becoming a citizen.

So, what will make them understand? Why do they not know why immigration is very difficult? And why are there so many ridiculous restrictions?

Personally I hate when they talk bullshit about how easy legal immigration is. It's hard and many of the rules aren't based on reason at all. The system handles it terribly and unfairly. If we want legal movement, why don't we make it possible for people who deserve it?
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:01 pm

Explain to me, please, why this couldn't go in the MAGAthread?
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Postby Christo Pax » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:03 pm

GLDF wrote:.

So, what will make them understand? Why do they not know why immigration is very difficult? And why are there so many ridiculous restrictions... If we want legal movement, why don't we make it possible for people who deserve it?


I don't think that most Republicans are anti-legal immigration. In fact, many deplore the state of immigration in the U. S. and want a system like that which exists in Canada and Australia, where it is easier for people to go to their respective countries based on the extent to which they will contribute to society.
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Postby GLDF » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:03 pm

Farnhamia wrote:Explain to me, please, why this couldn't go in the MAGAthread?

"How is it about Trump? I never mentioned him."
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:07 pm

GLDF wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Explain to me, please, why this couldn't go in the MAGAthread?

"How is it about Trump? I never mentioned him."

Immigration + Republicans = Trump. We can leave it separate but I do htink it would be better over there.

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Postby New haven america » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:08 pm

Christo Pax wrote:
GLDF wrote:.

So, what will make them understand? Why do they not know why immigration is very difficult? And why are there so many ridiculous restrictions... If we want legal movement, why don't we make it possible for people who deserve it?


I don't think that most Republicans are anti-legal immigration. In fact, many deplore the state of immigration in the U. S. and want a system like that which exists in Canada and Australia, where it is easier for people to go to their respective countries based on the extent to which they will contribute to society.

Which means that they want to make immigration as difficult as possible for those who aren't already highly skilled and educated.

Kinda goes against the mantra of "Give us your poor and starving" now, doesn't it?
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Postby Nouveau Quebecois » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:09 pm

Farnhamia wrote:Explain to me, please, why this couldn't go in the MAGAthread?

Isn't this a big fat ol' "all [x] are [y]?" "All [republicans] don't [understand immigration]?"
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Postby Sapientia Et Bellum » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:09 pm

Thats a hell of a generalization tbh

We understand that its difficult to immigrate to this country and thats exactly how we want it
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Postby GLDF » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:10 pm

New haven america wrote:
Christo Pax wrote:
I don't think that most Republicans are anti-legal immigration. In fact, many deplore the state of immigration in the U. S. and want a system like that which exists in Canada and Australia, where it is easier for people to go to their respective countries based on the extent to which they will contribute to society.

Which means that they want to make immigration as difficult as possible for those who aren't already highly skilled and educated.

Kinda goes against the mantra of "Give us your poor and starving" now, doesn't it?

Give us your poor and starving so they can wither away after we hold them up for a decade at the border and we'll work out a deal one of these years.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:10 pm

Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:Thats a hell of a generalization tbh

Most Americans don't understand American immigration, so it's really not.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:10 pm

Nouveau Quebecois wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Explain to me, please, why this couldn't go in the MAGAthread?

Isn't this a big fat ol' "all [x] are [y]?" "All [republicans] don't [understand immigration]?"

I don't think not understanding immigration is necessarily a pejorative.
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Postby Sapientia Et Bellum » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:11 pm

New haven america wrote:
Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:Thats a hell of a generalization tbh

Most Americans don't understand American immigration, so it's really not.

Its more so the targeting of a political group but I digress...
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Postby Nouveau Quebecois » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:12 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Nouveau Quebecois wrote:Isn't this a big fat ol' "all [x] are [y]?" "All [republicans] don't [understand immigration]?"

I don't think not understanding immigration is necessarily a pejorative.

You sure?
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:13 pm

Nouveau Quebecois wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I don't think not understanding immigration is necessarily a pejorative.

You sure?

I am. You can report it over in Moderation, though.
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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:14 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Nouveau Quebecois wrote:Isn't this a big fat ol' "all [x] are [y]?" "All [republicans] don't [understand immigration]?"

I don't think not understanding immigration is necessarily a pejorative.

Reads like a bloggy OP with a mix of all x are y.
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Postby GLDF » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:16 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I don't think not understanding immigration is necessarily a pejorative.

Reads like a bloggy OP with a mix of all x are y.

Stating a fact and saying a political party has a political view should definitely amount to punishment.
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Postby Sapientia Et Bellum » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:16 pm

GLDF wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Reads like a bloggy OP with a mix of all x are y.

Stating a fact and saying a political party has a political view should definitely amount to punishment.

So uhhhhh.... did you miss the whole fact vs opinion thing back in school or what
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:18 pm

We can house illegal immigrants but we can't house American citizens that're homeless. We're what, supposed to just have open borders and let the entire world have a claim to our country and its resources?

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Postby Nouveau Quebecois » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:18 pm

GLDF wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Reads like a bloggy OP with a mix of all x are y.

Stating a fact and saying a political party has a political view should definitely amount to punishment.

You didn't say [a political party] though. You said [a group of people]. There is a difference between "Republicans" and "The Republican Party".
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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:20 pm

GLDF wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Reads like a bloggy OP with a mix of all x are y.

Stating a fact and saying a political party has a political view should definitely amount to punishment.

Your "fact" is an opinion.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:21 pm

Saiwania wrote:We can house illegal immigrants but we can't house American citizens that're homeless. We're what, supposed to just have open borders and let the entire world have a claim to our country and its resources?

Or we could just erase all of the imaginary lines in the dirt that we call borders.

Oh wait, humans aren't capable of that level of cooperation and understanding.
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Postby Nouveau Quebecois » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:22 pm

New haven america wrote:
Saiwania wrote:We can house illegal immigrants but we can't house American citizens that're homeless. We're what, supposed to just have open borders and let the entire world have a claim to our country and its resources?

Or we could just erase all of the imaginary lines in the dirt that we call borders.

Oh wait, humans aren't capable of that level of cooperation and understanding.

Hence why we need the imaginary lines in the dirt that we call borders.
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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:22 pm

New haven america wrote:
Saiwania wrote:We can house illegal immigrants but we can't house American citizens that're homeless. We're what, supposed to just have open borders and let the entire world have a claim to our country and its resources?

Or we could just erase all of the imaginary lines in the dirt that we call borders.

Oh wait, humans aren't capable of that level of cooperation and understanding.

I'd rather not live in a world with no boundaries thanks.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:22 pm

Saiwania wrote:We can house illegal immigrants but we can't house American citizens that're homeless. We're what, supposed to just have open borders and let the entire world have a claim to our country and its resources?

I didn’t know we couldn’t do two things at once.
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Postby GLDF » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:22 pm

Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:
GLDF wrote:Stating a fact and saying a political party has a political view should definitely amount to punishment.

So uhhhhh.... did you miss the whole fact vs opinion thing back in school or what

Oh wait, I forgot that it's only an opinion. I'm definitely wrong and immigration is easy as hell. I'm just a whining liberal who thinks unnecessarily complicated processes are indeed overly complicated.
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