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Ave Satanas! Satanism Discussion Thread

Postby Noctis Aeternus » Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:53 am

Hello, NSG! Are there any other Satanists here or anyone wishing to learn more about our little understood philosophy and religion? If so, this thread will be for anything and everything related to Satanism, in its myriad forms. Looking forward to some great discussions.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:03 am

So are you a Leveyan Satanist or are you one of the few people who actual worships satan unironically?
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Postby Noctis Aeternus » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:51 am

Theistic Satanist.

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Postby Nakena » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:52 am

Needs more OP and poll maybe.
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Postby The Zarzane Couraion » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:55 am

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Postby Cappuccina » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:58 am

Noctis Aeternus wrote:Theistic Satanist.

Honest question, why would you want to devout yourself to an evil deity?
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:24 pm

Thank you for creating a thread where us edgy teenagers can discuss in peace 8)
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:30 pm

Satanism is the only religion I can get behind. OP, when you say you’re theistic satanist, why do you worship Satan?
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:38 pm

I've asked it before and I'll ask it again, why do you theistic Satanists get off by choosing to recognize one aspect of the Christian mythos and completely ignoring all others, namely the "burn in hell for all eternity" part. It's all just bad fanfiction to be quite honest.

Ignore this question if your concept of Satan as a theistic deity is wholly separate to Christianity (for example, it's based on pagan legends instead).
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:58 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:I've asked it before and I'll ask it again, why do you theistic Satanists get off by choosing to recognize one aspect of the Christian mythos and completely ignoring all others, namely the "burn in hell for all eternity" part. It's all just bad fanfiction to be quite honest.

Ignore this question if your concept of Satan as a theistic deity is wholly separate to Christianity (for example, it's based on pagan legends instead).

The Christian Satan, and Hell itself, is a syncretism of pagan beliefs that have been warped to terrify young children as much as possible, so they may be forgiven for wanting to change those beliefs.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:05 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:The Christian Satan, and Hell itself, is a syncretism of pagan beliefs that have been warped to terrify young children as much as possible, so they may be forgiven for wanting to change those beliefs.

You said it yourself that it is a Christian creation, which leads back to my original question. Why worship a Christian Satan, not Chernobog or some other Pagan deity? Satanists are still taking that Christian syncretism only they're saying he's actually good or worth worshipping in their headcanon.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:05 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Noctis Aeternus wrote:Theistic Satanist.

Honest question, why would you want to devout yourself to an evil deity?


You can ask christians and muslims the same question ;)
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:35 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:The Christian Satan, and Hell itself, is a syncretism of pagan beliefs that have been warped to terrify young children as much as possible, so they may be forgiven for wanting to change those beliefs.

You said it yourself that it is a Christian creation, which leads back to my original question. Why worship a Christian Satan, not Chernobog or some other Pagan deity? Satanists are still taking that Christian syncretism only they're saying he's actually good or worth worshipping in their headcanon.

Many worship Ahriman the opposer, the Zoroastrian version of Satan. It’s just easier to call yourself a “satanist”.
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Postby North German Realm » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:39 pm

I'm actually curious about this too. How does theistic Satanism work? I mean, the majority of modern "satanists" are basically atheists who want to act edgy, but how does one worship Satan (and does it include vilification of the Christian god?) considering the Christian concept of Satan is, in and of itself, a syncretism of pagan beliefs and not something original to Christianity (other than the whole "evil incarnate" aspect)
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:41 pm

North German Realm wrote:I'm actually curious about this too. How does theistic Satanism work? I mean, the majority of modern "satanists" are basically atheists who want to act edgy, but how does one worship Satan (and does it include vilification of the Christian god?) considering the Christian concept of Satan is, in and of itself, a syncretism of pagan beliefs and not something original to Christianity (other than the whole "evil incarnate" aspect)

They tend to think Satan is a Prometheus figure who brought knowledge and pleasure to humanity, and that God is the world’s biggest killjoy.
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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
North German Realm wrote:I'm actually curious about this too. How does theistic Satanism work? I mean, the majority of modern "satanists" are basically atheists who want to act edgy, but how does one worship Satan (and does it include vilification of the Christian god?) considering the Christian concept of Satan is, in and of itself, a syncretism of pagan beliefs and not something original to Christianity (other than the whole "evil incarnate" aspect)

They tend to think Satan is a Prometheus figure who brought knowledge and pleasure to humanity, and that God is the world’s biggest killjoy.

I mean that's pretty much how everyone would interpret the story too if you weren't busy with the "If you don't do as god says you'll go to hell" thing
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Postby Page » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:49 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Noctis Aeternus wrote:Theistic Satanist.

Honest question, why would you want to devout yourself to an evil deity?


Not a Satanist myself, though I've done research on various religions including theistic Satanism so I'll explain it as I understand. Some theistic Satanists have a unique take on the God and Satan of the Abrahamic religions. Jehovah or Yahweh (the god of Abraham) is a god but not the god; Jehovah is powerful but not omnipotent. His goal is the unconditional worship and obedience of people. To further this goal, he has tricked people into thinking that he is all powerful and that if he is not obeyed, the evil Satan will win one's soul and torment that soul in hell forever. But Satan actually is not evil and does not want to torment his followers, rather he is a god of creativity and curiosity and freedom, and he wants to help those he deems worthy. The theistic satanist take on the Garden of Eden myth is that Satan came to break Jehovah's hold over man. Eat the forbidden fruit (learn the truth about reality), Jehovah can't hurt you. So Satan is kind of like a friendly cult deprogrammer and patron of science and the arts.

Of course, there are many variations on theistic Satanism and not all of them hold these beliefs. Some sects might have more in common with the atheistic LeVeyan Satanists who see Satan as a god of pleasure and power, the difference being they think Satan is literally a deity while LeVeyans do not. But no Satanists consider Satan or themselves to be evil. Either they think Jehovah/Yahweh is the evil one, or they reject the good and evil paradigm altogether.
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North German Realm wrote:I'm actually curious about this too. How does theistic Satanism work? I mean, the majority of modern "satanists" are basically atheists who want to act edgy, but how does one worship Satan (and does it include vilification of the Christian god?) considering the Christian concept of Satan is, in and of itself, a syncretism of pagan beliefs and not something original to Christianity (other than the whole "evil incarnate" aspect)

They tend to think Satan is a Prometheus figure who brought knowledge and pleasure to humanity, and that God is the world’s biggest killjoy.

I understand pleasure but what knowledge?
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:52 pm

Nouveau Quebecois wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:They tend to think Satan is a Prometheus figure who brought knowledge and pleasure to humanity, and that God is the world’s biggest killjoy.

I understand pleasure but what knowledge?

The knowledge of good and evil, I assume.

Edit: Let’s not forget that the god(s) of the Bible are not so powerful themselves. In the story of the tower of Babel, they fuck up people’s languages because by building a fucking ziggurat, they can become more powerful than the gods. (That’s right—Elohim, that’s plural)
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:53 pm

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Cappuccina wrote:Honest question, why would you want to devout yourself to an evil deity?


Not a Satanist myself, though I've done research on various religions including theistic Satanism so I'll explain it as I understand. Some theistic Satanists have a unique take on the God and Satan of the Abrahamic religions. Jehovah or Yahweh (the god of Abraham) is a god but not the god; Jehovah is powerful but not omnipotent. His goal is the unconditional worship and obedience of people. To further this goal, he has tricked people into thinking that he is all powerful and that if he is not obeyed, the evil Satan will win one's soul and torment that soul in hell forever. But Satan actually is not evil and does not want to torment his followers, rather he is a god of creativity and curiosity and freedom, and he wants to help those he deems worthy. The theistic satanist take on the Garden of Eden myth is that Satan came to break Jehovah's hold over man. Eat the forbidden fruit (learn the truth about reality), Jehovah can't hurt you. So Satan is kind of like a friendly cult deprogrammer and patron of science and the arts.


That's hardly unique - that is literally what the Bible teaches. Just like how Jesus was not the son of God, but the champion of man who managed to secure a truce for Yahweh in the great war between heaven and humanity.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:54 pm

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Nouveau Quebecois wrote:I understand pleasure but what knowledge?

The knowledge of good and evil, I assume.


All knowledge in fact. In paradise, Adam and Eve were retarded until they ate the fruit.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:56 pm

Page wrote:Not a Satanist myself, though I've done research on various religions including theistic Satanism so I'll explain it as I understand. Some theistic Satanists have a unique take on the God and Satan of the Abrahamic religions. Jehovah or Yahweh (the god of Abraham) is a god but not the god; Jehovah is powerful but not omnipotent. His goal is the unconditional worship and obedience of people. To further this goal, he has tricked people into thinking that he is all powerful and that if he is not obeyed, the evil Satan will win one's soul and torment that soul in hell forever. But Satan actually is not evil and does not want to torment his followers, rather he is a god of creativity and curiosity and freedom, and he wants to help those he deems worthy. The theistic satanist take on the Garden of Eden myth is that Satan came to break Jehovah's hold over man. Eat the forbidden fruit (learn the truth about reality), Jehovah can't hurt you. So Satan is kind of like a friendly cult deprogrammer and patron of science and the arts.


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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:57 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:The knowledge of good and evil, I assume.


All knowledge in fact. In paradise, Adam and Eve were retarded until they ate the fruit.

Pretty much, yeah. Never forget that: in the two stories in the Bible where human knowledge and desire to learn began to prevail, God punished all of humanity.
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