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China Delays Visas to Hindu Pilgrims

Postby The Hindustani State » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:05 pm

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tra ... 569752.cms

There is a new development just hours after the abolishment of Article 370 in Jammu & Kashmir by the Indian government and the move to turn Ladakh into a separate union territory. Reportedly, the Chinese government has delayed granting visas to a group of Indians, who planned to undertake the Kailash Mansarovar Yatra in the next batch.

This may or may not be a strategic move on the part of China to express its displeasure on the Ladakh matter. Reportedly, China asked India and Pakistan to refrain from actions that "unilaterally" change the status quo and worsen strife between the two countries. China also voiced its disappointment at India’s decision to turn Ladakh into a union territory.

In a statement, the spokesperson of Chinese Foreign Ministry, Hua Chunying, said that China has always been against India's inclusion of Chinese territory in the western part of the Indo-China border within its administrative control. Their stand is fixed, stable and unchanging. Chunying further added that the unilateral revision of country laws by the Indian government has been affecting China's territorial dominion, which is not permissible.


For background: Usually, Indian citizens have a tough time getting into China, and can’t get into Tibet at all unless it is for the Kailash Mansarovar Yatra, an annual pilgrimage to the mountain Kailash, the vedic abode of Shiva, and the lake of Mansarovar. Kailash is one of the holiest sites in Hinduism, and the holiest site for the Shaivist denomination of Hinduism, China delaying these visas over political matters would be like KSA denying Iranis Hajj pilgrimage due to their political differences. Kailash and Mansarovar are also holy to Buddhists and Jains. While it is a delay for now, pilgrims will be missing the most auspicious time to make the pilgrimage during the Hindu month of Shravan, and it is possible China could be outright denying these visas. So, what is NSG’s opinion on this action by China?

I think China has gone too far on this one, first of all, they are illegally occupying Tibet anyways, but now they are denying devoted Hindus from completing one of life’s most important goals, a pilgrimage to Kailash is said to bring one’s Karma up and boost the process of reaching Brahman. China has been fucking petty regarding their involvement in Kashmir anyways (It was an India-Pakistan issue before they got involved), but now they’ve just gone too fucking far, by delaying a religious pilgrimage.
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:07 pm

The Hindustani State wrote:https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/travel/destinations/china-delays-visas-to-indians-waiting-for-kailash-mansarovar-yatra/as70569752.cms

There is a new development just hours after the abolishment of Article 370 in Jammu & Kashmir by the Indian government and the move to turn Ladakh into a separate union territory. Reportedly, the Chinese government has delayed granting visas to a group of Indians, who planned to undertake the Kailash Mansarovar Yatra in the next batch.

This may or may not be a strategic move on the part of China to express its displeasure on the Ladakh matter. Reportedly, China asked India and Pakistan to refrain from actions that "unilaterally" change the status quo and worsen strife between the two countries. China also voiced its disappointment at India’s decision to turn Ladakh into a union territory.

In a statement, the spokesperson of Chinese Foreign Ministry, Hua Chunying, said that China has always been against India's inclusion of Chinese territory in the western part of the Indo-China border within its administrative control. Their stand is fixed, stable and unchanging. Chunying further added that the unilateral revision of country laws by the Indian government has been affecting China's territorial dominion, which is not permissible.


For background: Usually, Indian citizens have a tough time getting into China, and can’t get into Tibet at all unless it is for the Kailash Mansarovar Yatra, an annual pilgrimage to the mountain Kailash, the vedic abode of Shiva, and the lake of Mansarovar. Kailash is one of the holiest sites in Hinduism, and the holiest site for the Shaivist denomination of Hinduism, China delaying these visas over political matters would be like KSA denying Iranis Hajj pilgrimage due to their political differences. Kailash and Mansarovar are also holy to Buddhists and Jains. While it is a delay for now, pilgrims will be missing the most auspicious time to make the pilgrimage during the Hindu month of Shravan, and it is possible China could be outright denying these visas. So, what is NSG’s opinion on this action by China?

I think China has gone too far on this one, first of all, they are illegally occupying Tibet anyways, but now they are denying devoted Hindus from completing one of life’s most important goals, a pilgrimage to Kailash is said to bring one’s Karma up and boost the process of reaching Brahman. China has been fucking petty regarding their involvement in Kashmir anyways (It was an India-Pakistan issue before they got involved), but now they’ve just gone too fucking far, by delaying a religious pilgrimage.

Here's hoping China just decides to take over Kashmir for itself. Would solve the religion problem.
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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:08 pm

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The Hindustani State wrote:https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/travel/destinations/china-delays-visas-to-indians-waiting-for-kailash-mansarovar-yatra/as70569752.cms



For background: Usually, Indian citizens have a tough time getting into China, and can’t get into Tibet at all unless it is for the Kailash Mansarovar Yatra, an annual pilgrimage to the mountain Kailash, the vedic abode of Shiva, and the lake of Mansarovar. Kailash is one of the holiest sites in Hinduism, and the holiest site for the Shaivist denomination of Hinduism, China delaying these visas over political matters would be like KSA denying Iranis Hajj pilgrimage due to their political differences. Kailash and Mansarovar are also holy to Buddhists and Jains. While it is a delay for now, pilgrims will be missing the most auspicious time to make the pilgrimage during the Hindu month of Shravan, and it is possible China could be outright denying these visas. So, what is NSG’s opinion on this action by China?

I think China has gone too far on this one, first of all, they are illegally occupying Tibet anyways, but now they are denying devoted Hindus from completing one of life’s most important goals, a pilgrimage to Kailash is said to bring one’s Karma up and boost the process of reaching Brahman. China has been fucking petty regarding their involvement in Kashmir anyways (It was an India-Pakistan issue before they got involved), but now they’ve just gone too fucking far, by delaying a religious pilgrimage.

Here's hoping China just decides to take over Kashmir for itself. Would solve the religion problem.



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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Here's hoping China just decides to take over Kashmir for itself. Would solve the religion problem.



We don’t want another Sinkiang/Tibet

I do.
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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:10 pm

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We don’t want another Sinkiang/Tibet

I do.

Why exactly?
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:11 pm

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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:I do.

Why exactly?

China is a great society and India should follow its example.
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Postby The Hindustani State » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:13 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Why exactly?

China is a great society

:rofl:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Why exactly?

and India should follow its example

I’d rather have a corrupt but functional democracy over one party dictatorship
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The Hindustani State wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:China is a great society

:rofl:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:and India should follow its example

I’d rather have a corrupt but functional democracy over one party dictatorship

India's democracy isn't even functional. China's government is.
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Postby The Hindustani State » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:17 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
The Hindustani State wrote: :rofl:


I’d rather have a corrupt but functional democracy over one party dictatorship

India's democracy isn't even functional. China's government is.

How exactly is it not functional? There’s free elections, party hands change often

Also, economics have improved so well in the past 10 years, now everyone in even the most remote parts has basic access to the internet
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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:19 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Why exactly?

China is a great society and India should follow its example.

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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:19 pm

The Hindustani State wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:India's democracy isn't even functional. China's government is.

How exactly is it not functional? There’s free elections, party hands change often

Also, economics have improved so well in the past 10 years, now everyone in even the most remote parts has basic access to the internet

Except Jammu and Kashmir, for now.

On the thread itself, well, I don't see any use in delaying visas for religious pilgrimages.
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Postby Pacomia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:20 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
The Hindustani State wrote: :rofl:


I’d rather have a corrupt but functional democracy over one party dictatorship

India's democracy isn't even functional. China's government is.

Not every wants to be ruled by a one-party dictatorship, y’know?
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:22 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:India's democracy isn't even functional. China's government is.

Not every wants to be ruled by a one-party dictatorship, y’know?

Tell that to Modi :P
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Postby The Hindustani State » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:23 pm

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The Hindustani State wrote:How exactly is it not functional? There’s free elections, party hands change often

Also, economics have improved so well in the past 10 years, now everyone in even the most remote parts has basic access to the internet

Except Jammu and Kashmir, for now.

On the thread itself, well, I don't see any use in delaying visas for religious pilgrimages.

It’s not just any religious pilgrimage, it’s the most important one for an entire denomination, like I said, it’s like denying a Muslim Hajj

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Pacomia wrote:Not every wants to be ruled by a one-party dictatorship, y’know?

Tell that to Modi :P

How exactly is India a one party state though? Rajya Sabha often bars bills from passing, due to BJP politicians allying with Congress on occasion
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Samudera Darussalam wrote:Except Jammu and Kashmir, for now.

On the thread itself, well, I don't see any use in delaying visas for religious pilgrimages.

It’s not just any religious pilgrimage, it’s the most important one for an entire denomination, like I said, it’s like denying a Muslim Hajj

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Tell that to Modi :P

How exactly is India a one party state though? Rajya Sabha often bars bills from passing, due to BJP politicians allying with Congress on occasion

We'll see how "two party" it is after he starts removing kebab. That's all I have to say on that matter. If you don't think Modi's end goal is to commit genocide of Muslims, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. Say what you want about China, but they aren't run by religious extremists.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:26 pm

The Hindustani State wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Except Jammu and Kashmir, for now.

On the thread itself, well, I don't see any use in delaying visas for religious pilgrimages.

It’s not just any religious pilgrimage, it’s the most important one for an entire denomination, like I said, it’s like denying a Muslim Hajj

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Tell that to Modi :P

How exactly is India a one party state though? Rajya Sabha often bars bills from passing, due to BJP politicians allying with Congress on occasion

In specific denomination, we can just use the example of denying a Shia pilgrimage to sites like Karbala or Qom rather than a Muslim hajj, which I think is more like denying Hindu pilgrimage to Varanasi.
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The Hindustani State wrote:It’s not just any religious pilgrimage, it’s the most important one for an entire denomination, like I said, it’s like denying a Muslim Hajj


How exactly is India a one party state though? Rajya Sabha often bars bills from passing, due to BJP politicians allying with Congress on occasion

We'll see how "two party" it is after he starts removing kebab. That's all I have to say on that matter. If you don't think Modi's end goal is to commit genocide of Muslims, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. Say what you want about China, but they aren't run by religious extremists.

Yeah, they’re run by atheist extremists
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Postby The Hindustani State » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:27 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
The Hindustani State wrote:It’s not just any religious pilgrimage, it’s the most important one for an entire denomination, like I said, it’s like denying a Muslim Hajj


How exactly is India a one party state though? Rajya Sabha often bars bills from passing, due to BJP politicians allying with Congress on occasion

In specific denomination, we can just use the example of denying a Shia pilgrimage to sites like Karbala or Qom rather than a Muslim hajj, which I think is more like denying Hindu pilgrimage to Varanasi.

Kailash is holier to Shaivists than Varanasi, and it’s either the second or third holiest for everyone else

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
The Hindustani State wrote:It’s not just any religious pilgrimage, it’s the most important one for an entire denomination, like I said, it’s like denying a Muslim Hajj


How exactly is India a one party state though? Rajya Sabha often bars bills from passing, due to BJP politicians allying with Congress on occasion

We'll see how "two party" it is after he starts removing kebab. That's all I have to say on that matter. If you don't think Modi's end goal is to commit genocide of Muslims, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. Say what you want about China, but they aren't run by religious extremists.

Are you watching too much VisualPolitik?
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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:We'll see how "two party" it is after he starts removing kebab. That's all I have to say on that matter. If you don't think Modi's end goal is to commit genocide of Muslims, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. Say what you want about China, but they aren't run by religious extremists.

Yeah, they’re run by atheist extremists

They're run by Chinese Nationalists. China is still quite superstitious, just not "religious" in the sense of Indo-European religions.
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Samudera Darussalam wrote:In specific denomination, we can just use the example of denying a Shia pilgrimage to sites like Karbala or Qom rather than a Muslim hajj, which I think is more like denying Hindu pilgrimage to Varanasi.

Kailash is holier to Shaivists than Varanasi, and it’s either the second or third holiest for everyone else

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:We'll see how "two party" it is after he starts removing kebab. That's all I have to say on that matter. If you don't think Modi's end goal is to commit genocide of Muslims, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. Say what you want about China, but they aren't run by religious extremists.

Are you watching too much VisualPolitik?

He's literally a party of a Hindu extremist group. Don't piss on me and tell me "it's raining".
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Postby Pacomia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:28 pm

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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:We'll see how "two party" it is after he starts removing kebab. That's all I have to say on that matter. If you don't think Modi's end goal is to commit genocide of Muslims, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. Say what you want about China, but they aren't run by religious extremists.

Yeah, they’re run by atheist extremists

They like removing kebab, too.
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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:29 pm

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Aureumterra wrote:Yeah, they’re run by atheist extremists

They're run by Chinese Nationalists. China is still quite superstitious, just not "religious" in the sense of Indo-European religions.

So… atheist extremists

China is doing much more “remove kebab” than India is atm
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:30 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Yeah, they’re run by atheist extremists

They like removing kebab, too.

The difference being that their goal is unify the Chinese state, not divide it. Modi plans to divide and divide and divide to keep his group in power and keep India poor. That's what religion does.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:30 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:They're run by Chinese Nationalists. China is still quite superstitious, just not "religious" in the sense of Indo-European religions.

So… atheist extremists

China is doing much more “remove kebab” than India is atm

To be fair they're bitter about Talas. :p
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Postby Pacomia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:31 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Pacomia wrote:They like removing kebab, too.

The difference being that their goal is unify the Chinese state, not divide it. Modi plans to divide and divide and divide to keep his group in power and keep India poor. That's what religion does.

I don’t like either country. Sure, India isn’t exactly a shining example of progress and prosperity, but neither is China. Hell, nor is most of Asia.
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