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Is America becoming fascist?

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Vendellamoore
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Is America becoming a Fascist nation?

Postby Vendellamoore » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:43 pm

While I was browsing the internet earlier today, I came across a video on YouTube, and people in the comment section were saying that America is becoming a Fascist nation. What do you guys think? Is America becoming a Fascist nation?

They even claimed that President Donald Trump was a Fascist.

I personally do not think America is becoming a Fascist nation, but it certainly is changing.
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:46 pm

You should probably include your opinion in your opening post, but as for my opinion, no, we are not becoming fascist. Trump is an asshole, but that is not the same thing.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:47 pm

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Postby Cappuccina » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:47 pm

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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:48 pm

Authoritarian, yes. Racist, no.
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Imbalistan
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Postby Imbalistan » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:48 pm

No. We are getting more conservative, but we are NOT fascist.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:49 pm

It's simply not the case, although I wish it was. I'd want to position myself as official #2. It's too much public attention to be the dictator in charge. I want to be the most important that no one really knows about. Someone who can work from the shadows for the benefit of the new order, but has a relatively easy job if its primarily following orders or administrative in nature.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:50 pm

Kowani wrote:Authoritarian, yes. Racist, no.


How?
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Storalia
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Postby Storalia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:50 pm

No. It's becoming increasingly corporate and has rampant issues of corruption, but that doesn't exactly mean it's becoming fascist. Socially it's liberalizing in some regards.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:51 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Authoritarian, yes. Racist, no.


How?

I meant to say fascist. Damn autocorrect…
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Rojava Free State
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:52 pm

I think America is becoming more authoritarian but not fascist nor communist. The 1% are increasingly aware that their attempts to divide people based on race or gender aren't working as well as they used to and they're probably gonna start clamping down on freedom. Recently many in government have called for a "patriot act to combat white nationalism" within the same month ted Cruz pushed an anti antifa bill that would also affect peaceful left wing protesters. I think the government is attempting to silence all criticism of globalism and corporatism, labelling leftists as communists and all right wingers as fascists. This government is run by big money, not by ideology
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Pacomia
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Postby Pacomia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:53 pm

Ehhh, nah. We probably won’t become fascist without a coup, and couping a country as powerful as America is a difficult task.

Rojava Free State wrote:I think America is becoming more authoritarian but not fascist nor communist. The 1% are increasingly aware that their attempts to divide people based on race or gender aren't working as well as they used to and they're probably gonna start clamping down on freedom. Recently many in government have called for a "patriot act to combat white nationalism" within the same month ted Cruz pushed an anti antifa bill that would also affect peaceful left wing protesters. I think the government is attempting to silence all criticism of globalism and corporatism, labelling leftists as communists and all right wingers as fascists. This government is run by big money, not by ideology

So, a plutocracy? Or something like an aristocracy?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:54 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:You should probably include your opinion in your opening post, but as for my opinion, no, we are not becoming fascist. Trump is an asshole, but that is not the same thing.


Trump's ideology is akin to crooked presidents in Latin America or africa. It's all about him and he can do what he wants. I doubt he has any real intention of "making America great again"
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pro: marijuana, gun rights, private property, and sexy brown women

anti: fascism, communism, islamism, sexism, pan africanism, La raza, Warren Police Department (and most of the other police departments of metro Detroit except for Auburn Hills. They're aight), gun control, trump, obama, bush, clinton, reagan, carter, chipotle and snotty in crowd teens. Ugh I can't deal with them
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:54 pm

Pacomia wrote:Ehhh, nah. We probably won’t become fascist without a coup, and couping a country as powerful as America is a difficult task.

Rojava Free State wrote:I think America is becoming more authoritarian but not fascist nor communist. The 1% are increasingly aware that their attempts to divide people based on race or gender aren't working as well as they used to and they're probably gonna start clamping down on freedom. Recently many in government have called for a "patriot act to combat white nationalism" within the same month ted Cruz pushed an anti antifa bill that would also affect peaceful left wing protesters. I think the government is attempting to silence all criticism of globalism and corporatism, labelling leftists as communists and all right wingers as fascists. This government is run by big money, not by ideology

So, a plutocracy? Or something like an aristocracy?


An oligarchy
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38
pro: marijuana, gun rights, private property, and sexy brown women

anti: fascism, communism, islamism, sexism, pan africanism, La raza, Warren Police Department (and most of the other police departments of metro Detroit except for Auburn Hills. They're aight), gun control, trump, obama, bush, clinton, reagan, carter, chipotle and snotty in crowd teens. Ugh I can't deal with them
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Cappuccina
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Postby Cappuccina » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:55 pm

Imbalistan wrote:No. We are getting more conservative, but we are NOT fascist.

In what way are we becoming more conservative?
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:56 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Authoritarian, yes. Racist, no.


How?

Look up Trump's view on civil asset forfeiture and government surveillance, as well as some of his other views. He is an authoritarian.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:56 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
How?

Look up Trump's view on civil asset forfeiture and government surveillance, as well as some of his other views. He is an authoritarian.


Basically he supports a government in which becoming poor became a crime
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Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38
pro: marijuana, gun rights, private property, and sexy brown women

anti: fascism, communism, islamism, sexism, pan africanism, La raza, Warren Police Department (and most of the other police departments of metro Detroit except for Auburn Hills. They're aight), gun control, trump, obama, bush, clinton, reagan, carter, chipotle and snotty in crowd teens. Ugh I can't deal with them
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:57 pm

No, if anything we're less fascist due to the amount of infighting in the government, fascism usually requires a single party state, and as we can see we're definitely not that, if anything with the parties fragmenting we're less likely to become fascist than before.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:57 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:No, if anything we're less fascist due to the amount of infighting in the government, fascism usually requires a single party state, and as we can see we're definitely not that, if anything with the parties fragmenting we're less likely to become fascist than before.


Both parties are funded often by the same people. Don't let an illusion of division fool you.
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Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38
pro: marijuana, gun rights, private property, and sexy brown women

anti: fascism, communism, islamism, sexism, pan africanism, La raza, Warren Police Department (and most of the other police departments of metro Detroit except for Auburn Hills. They're aight), gun control, trump, obama, bush, clinton, reagan, carter, chipotle and snotty in crowd teens. Ugh I can't deal with them
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Jean-Paul Sartre
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:58 pm

No, we're becoming a plutocracy.
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Postby Takso » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:59 pm

Protectionism and xenophobia has increased in the United States, but the hallmarks of fascism: ultranationalism, dictatorship, militarism, jingoism, and autarky make it so the US has a long way to go before being appropriate for that classification. Elections are still legal and while do receive foreign interference, are as a whole open and honest. I see a tendency for people to label anything right-wing as fascist.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:00 pm

NO! A bit oligarchy here n there imo.
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Postby Aurevbush » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:01 pm

Last I checked, Muslims are not wearing special IDs.
The "free media" isn't being suppressed by a certain orange someone.
And not every police officer is wearing a colorful armband.

So, no...not a fascist nation.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:01 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Look up Trump's view on civil asset forfeiture and government surveillance, as well as some of his other views. He is an authoritarian.


Basically he supports a government in which becoming poor became a crime

In some respects yes. He ain't a fascist though, but he is a kleptocrat.
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Postby Arlenton » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:04 pm

No. We should be a Jeffersonian nation.

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