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Xeloncaresia
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Is YN a melting pot or a cultural mosaic?

Postby Xeloncaresia » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:53 pm

Is YN a melting pot, or a cultural mosaic?

The melting pot is a monocultural metaphor for a heterogeneous society becoming more homogeneous, the different elements "melting together" with a common culture or vice versa, for a homogeneous society becoming more heterogeneous through the influx of foreign elements with different cultural backgrounds, possessing the potential to create disharmony within the previous culture. Historically, it is often used to describe the assimilation of immigrants to the United States.

A cultural mosaic is the mix of ethnic groups, languages, and cultures that coexist within society. The idea of a cultural mosaic is intended to suggest a form of multiculturalism.

Xeloncaresia is a combination of both. It’s a cultural mosaic in the sense that people of different cultures don’t mix and every ethnic group has its own distinct communities and enclaves, where hundreds of different languages are spoken. In addition everyone has ties to their cultural roots, even 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants. But Xeloncaresia is also a melting pot in the sense that every citizen is required to be fluent in Rhône and English (at least enough to hold a conversation).
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Newe Camelot
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Postby Newe Camelot » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:55 pm

Definitely a melting pot. We are literally undergoing (or to some, have already undergone) ethnogenesis.
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The United States of Paul
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Postby The United States of Paul » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:57 pm

Definitely a cultural mosaic

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Great Nortend
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Postby Great Nortend » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:36 pm

GN is culturally fairly homogeneous insofar as there are not many distinct cultures from across the world. That is not to say that there are not differences between different types of Nortchman; the most distinctive difference may be the retention of the use of Erebian in areas of Lower Erbonia and Hambria, a mostly mutually intelligible language despite differences in pronunciation and spelling.
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Kasa Tkoth Sphere
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Postby Kasa Tkoth Sphere » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:09 am

For any given cultural movement in the K-Sphere, there are minds embracing it and only it while refusing to accept outside influence, there are minds intentionally trying to cross-reference and mix it with every other movement they can find, there are minds along the entire range in between, there are minds that don't understand the movement and avoid it, there are minds that do understand the movement but find it abhorrent and also avoid it anyway... after all, preference satisfaction is the only rule, and literally anything not in contradiction with that can fly.

You've also got to factor in every splinter community, isolated mind, culture war, culture cold war, hegemonising memetic swarm, antimemetic vaccine distributor, and everything else that accelerates or limits the spread of cultural ideas between the K-Sphere's 1022 emulated minds, most of whom don't even understand each other to begin with unless they rewrite themselves utterly.

The K-Sphere is not a melting pot or a mosaic. It is cultural bedlam.
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United Federation of Orion
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Postby United Federation of Orion » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:20 am

The sheer amount of various planets, nations and ethnicities constituting The United Federation of Orion means that cultural and/or ethnic homogenisation is not possible making it a cultural mosaic.
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Zhouran
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Postby Zhouran » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:09 am

Zhouran is highly ethno-culturally homogeneous, however Zhouranese men are known for dating and marrying interracially. Zhouran does have foreigners who have Zhouranese citizenship, a massive majority of whom have Zhouranese spouses.

If anything, Zhouran is more of a melting pot. Zhouranese people like to joke about how the Kangyuli race can essentially turn things Kangyulic and that foreign women who date and marry Zhouranese men become assimilated.
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Ghost Land
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Postby Ghost Land » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:24 am

Ghost Land is monocultural, as people who are not of the Master Race are not allowed to reproduce by law.

In 60s Music, the mix of cultures is best described as an ethnic stew: a wide range of influences can coexist in the same bowl, without losing what makes each one unique. In a stew, the carrots retain their carrotness, the potatoes retain their potatoness, and the peas retain their peaness.
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Arkhane
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Postby Arkhane » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:26 am

Arkhane is completely homogeneous, as it should be.

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Victorious Decepticons
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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:43 am

None of that. We have one culture, the Decepticon Way, and if you want to immigrate, you must adopt it completely and renounce your old one.

Having citizenship already does not protect you from this legal principle, either. Native-built Decepticons or formerly-successful immigrants who try to adopt some other culture (or who push for the changing of our own) are officially stripped of their citizenship and executed as traitors.
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Kaltovar
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Postby Kaltovar » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:53 am

Kaltovar is a Melting Pot, enforced by the state. All people are legally required to identify as "Kaltic" regardless of what their actual race or culture might be (with the exception of medical and scientific documents) - It is a national fiction that many don't take seriously, but they don't have to. They abide by the rules and over time they contribute aspects of their culture to the Kaltic metaculture, but eventually their culture is destroyed as a distinct entity in Kaltic politics. The national fiction becomes national reality.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:01 am

Thermodolia is on the extreme end on the melting pot side of the melting pot/cultural mosaic divide. Until 1970 Thermodolia practiced Thermoization in which non-Thermodolians became Thermodolian through intermarriage, forced language teaching, and cultural erasure. After 1970 Thermodolia moved to an assimilation system much like the US had during the waves of immigration.

As such there is very few non-Thermodolian cultures. The only places where non-Thermodolian culture exists are the Republics and a few other provinces.
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Estainia
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Postby Estainia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:59 am

Excerpt from a Ministry of Culture brief on the nature of Imperial Culture
"There is no Imperial culture by that name, rather there are Imperial cultures, that is to say the individual cultures of the constitute nations, which are both similar and distinct from one another, and often fiercely so. A cornerstone of this "Imperial" culture is the belief that there is no such thing as cultural superiority, and that anything directly detrimental to the existence of a people should be immediately discarded. Among the Imperials the idea of a 'melting pot' is the cultural default, taking the best elements of every one of their many peoples and forging those into a 'new' culture, a process that's been ongoing for more than ten centuries at this point. While regional cultural identity remains fiercely extant, despite the best efforts of many syncretic movements from the Imperial government."
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Technoscience Leftwing
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Postby Technoscience Leftwing » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:14 am

Melting Pot. The former national cultures are too archaic, we are creating our new culture.
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Ko-oren
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Postby Ko-oren » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:30 pm

Very much a cultural (or rather, linguistic) mosaic. Culturally, the people are quite homogeneous.
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Tomairia
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Postby Tomairia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:32 pm

Tomairia is definitely a cultural mosaic.
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Orassa
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Postby Orassa » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:43 pm

Melting pot. While we are descended from a dizzying variety of origins, the vast majority of Orassans identify primarily as Orassans, not as Jews, Indians, Africans, or what have you. Probably the most significant example of this is that we have a single official language, Oraya (although Oraya is itself something of a creole between Judeo-Arabic and Oriya). Aside from the use of Hebrew and Punjabi as liturgical languages, other languages are primarily used by recent immigrants.

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Postby Marxist Germany » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:46 pm

Melting pot, however, there are large minorities of Poles and Czechians in certain areas of the country.
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Peoples National Workers Union
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Postby Peoples National Workers Union » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:57 pm

The Peoples National has always been in a fairly odd spot , we had started as a nation around the 1990s due to the break up of the Soviet Union as a former SSR Republic. When the constitutional crisis happened in 1993 our nation witnessed a massive change when militants seized the local army garrison along with police headquarters within the state over night. Due to the situation going on further north within the much more strategically valuable state of Chechnya the state was left to its own devices under a leader who had slowly from 1994-1996 became a basic warlord. Being supported by not only the Taliban , though by Shamil Basayevs forces in Chechnya , Osama bin laden , ISI , The House of Saud , Turkish intelligence along with multiple volunteer units. The state eventually fell apart after the great leader of the core came back around 1997 after fighting in Chechnya not only during the War itself though for its security forces for another two years. Only to figure his home had been decimated by War. The Country had multiple Arabs militants terrorizing it , along with the military almost entirely propped up with NATO weapons. During the Guerrilla War the nation saw thousands of Arabs die and where forced out into exile later fighting back along the border with the Azerbaijan forces attempting to seize the nation with help from multiple volunteers while they where guide by the remainders of their security forces command structure from Pakistans Federally Administered Tribal Areas.

The Nation has always seen multiple foreigners coming through , either it being the Russians , Iranians , Chinese , Indians , Mongolians , Greeks , Italians. Their are many groups of people in our nation which is why is their are many interest groups within our nation politically and otherwise , for theological or just through some other assorted reasons. This is also why during the late 20th and early 21st century our nation has seen a variety of weapons sweep through it during the years of fighting from other nations.

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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:04 pm

Cultural mosaic, if it's possible with only 2-3 cultures. The Crown of the Kingdom of Poland and the Crown of the Kingdom of Prussia were held separately until recently, with the Swabian branch of the House of Hohenzollern(Hohenzollern-Jagiellon) being the Kings of Poland and Grand Dukes of Lithuania, and the Brandenburg-Prussian branch being the Kings of Prussia and later the German Emperors. While there was much camaraderie between Prussia and Poland, it wasn't until after WW1 when the two countries merged into the Commonwealth of the Kingdoms of Prussia and Poland(aka, the Prussian-Polish Commonwealth, or Prussia-Poland), following a series of coups by reactionary militias known as Freikorps, although it was lead by William III of the Brandenburg-Prussian Branch. In addition, despite numerous overtures and later coup attempts, Lithuania was lost permanently to the PPC, although the head of the House of Hohenzollern-Jagiellon still claims the title of Grand Duke of Lithuania.
The invasion of Nazi Germany temporarily removed a Prussian-Polish state from the map, but the Soviet invasion that followed a few years after reinstated one-the Democratic Republic of Prussia-Poland. After the fall of the Soviet Union, the DRPP clung to power for 2 more years before being ousted in a Western-backed military coup that instated George Fredrick Ferdinand of the Brandenburg-Prussian branch as King of Prussia and Poland. However, the presence of NATO troops soon sparked violent reactions from the populace, which was still bitter about their perceived betrayal during WW2. In 1995, a mere 3 years after the restoration of the Commonwealth, a second military coup was launched that brought Crassus von Hohenzollern-Jagiellon to the throne, forcing George Fredrick into exile.

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Zeganas
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Postby Zeganas » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:24 pm

The United Republics is a cultural mosaic, though each Zeganasian republic is either a cultural mosaic or melting pot of its own, each republic contributes its own flare to the dynamic culture that is the United Republics' culture.
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Hamidiye
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Postby Hamidiye » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:02 pm

We are a multicultural Empire, united through conquest by the haminid dynasty and held togethert by the Sultan and Caliphe. What started over 700 years ago as a small anatolian beyliknow is a continent-spanning Empire. Not as big as it was as its most successfull times in the 15th century, but still a major world power. Next to the blue of capitalism and the red of marxism stands the Green of Islam. Humongous oil reserves and a thoroughly modern military, combined with a unique political and economic system, the Hamidi Empire is one of the oldest states in the world and well respected as such. Since the victory over the tsarist russians in 1872, the Haminids are the westerners' equal and we have been a Gerat Power since ancient times.

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UniversalCommons
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Postby UniversalCommons » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:04 pm

It is a stew or a salad. As long as people follow the law, pay taxes, and speak the common language, they can do what they like.

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Vallermoore
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Postby Vallermoore » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:39 pm

Vallermoore is pretty much a melting pot in most ways with human, pony and changeling cultures, although there are still pockets of anti-black racism here and there.

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Borovan entered the region as he
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Postby Borovan entered the region as he » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:43 pm

Mosaic. To even think that whites, blacks and Latinos would mix would be naive
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