by 6th National Revolutionary France » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:00 am
by New Aeyariss » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:12 am
Inyourfaceistan wrote:You didn't know that Cusc is actually a 4-armed cyborg genius commander and skillful warrior created in secret by a cabal of rich capitalist financiers built to lead and army of drones and other renegades against and overbearing socialist regime?
Psalms 144:1 wrote:Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight.
by Rhyssua » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:24 am
by 6th National Revolutionary France » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:24 am
Rhyssua wrote:Any chance I could participate? (Rhyssua would be in the nations of Austria, Hungary, Slovenia, Slovakia, Croatia, and the city of Trieste).
by Rhyssua » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:26 am
by Zhouran » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:08 pm
New Aeyariss wrote:Okay. @Port Ember just to let you know, France - who is a person I know - had asked me to write on this topic. Therefore, I am. While France's post was not perfect, there is an issue I need to address - and that is, I do not believe that your fleet will be able to just handwave a missile attack, especially a missile attack of this size.
I have mentioned already to you on PMs about radar horizon:(Image)
If what I am reading from France's post is correct, you are dealing with a sea skimmer - a missile that's meant to fly at about 17 meters above sea level. You could have detected the missiles at 400 kilometers had they been flying at a high altitude, like 18-20 km. But because they are flying at near sea level, you probably won't even be able to pick them up until 25 kilometers (which is the radar horizon).
If the radar horizon is, say, 30km and you're going at 300m/s, that means the target has 100 seconds of reaction time from the moment it identifies the missile as a valid threat to the time it impacts the target. If you go at 600m/s, the target will have 50 seconds of reaction time. If you go at 1200m/s, the target will have 25 seconds. The problem with increasing speed is that, especially if you're flying at low altitude, drag increases exponentially as a function of velocity so you need ever larger amounts of propellant and ever more powerful engines.
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New Aeyariss wrote:If you add the fact that each of the missiles has low RCS, chances are that you won't even see the strike coming until it hits the fleet. Even if the fleet will be able to react in time, the efficiency of counter - missile systems here is greatly over-estimated, and I believe that you will suffer substantial causalities.
Since the Type 1130 CIWS can’t even shoot down medium or long-range subsonic missiles it’s a good bet that it will struggle with hypersonic ones.
Port Ember wrote:I am still awaiting all my preparations to be concluded, but so far I am preparing the following:
- 50 x Jolly Roger Missile Boats (My entire Missile Boat Fleet)
- 1 x Orca Class Frigate
- 30 x Rydell Class Cargo Ships
- 2 x Black Eagle Attack Choppers
- 5 x Albatross Mk2 Transport Choppers
The Hawk Privateers were no lower class pirates - they employed the very best equipment which money could buy - and their ships were prime examples of this fact. Although tense, the crew on board knew that they were prepared for this eventuality - they held a multi layer anti air defence system in place, and at the forefront, the Eagle Killer Anti Air System on the Orca Class Frigate went to task against the incoming missiles, which could track the missiles from 400km away and automatically launch a counter missile strike.
60 missiles was a picnic for this massed air defence network. Even though this formaddible network was active, a lucky missile or two managed to slip past and hit two cargo ships clinically - lighting up the pieces of steel in a beautifull display of fire and death.
The Armada was adament in having the last say however, and the missile launches allowed the armada's radars to solidly lock on to the incoming aircraft, and a sheer wall of 50 HMT-13 anti air missiles launched to have a final supper with the french airmen.
by Port Ember » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:00 pm
New Aeyariss wrote:Okay. @Port Ember just to let you know, France - who is a person I know - had asked me to write on this topic. Therefore, I am. While France's post was not perfect, there is an issue I need to address - and that is, I do not believe that your fleet will be able to just handwave a missile attack, especially a missile attack of this size.
I have mentioned already to you on PMs about radar horizon:(Image)
If what I am reading from France's post is correct, you are dealing with a sea skimmer - a missile that's meant to fly at about 17 meters above sea level. You could have detected the missiles at 400 kilometers had they been flying at a high altitude, like 18-20 km. But because they are flying at near sea level, you probably won't even be able to pick them up until 25 kilometers (which is the radar horizon).
If you add the fact that each of the missiles has low RCS, chances are that you won't even see the strike coming until it hits the fleet. Even if the fleet will be able to react in time, the efficiency of counter - missile systems here is greatly over-estimated, and I believe that you will suffer substantial causalities. How much? It would depend on what you and France are willing to agree on.
Don't take this please as a personal attack on you - it's clear that you are new to this stuff, and it's not my intention to harm you or ruin your fun in any way. We all make mistakes, and no one will hold it against you.
by Zhouran » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:09 pm
Port Ember wrote:Furthermore since the platform for this has been opened, this remains a two way street. I asked you if you have naval assets in the area, which was no. Now a ghost carrier has appeared. And the fact that a specialised anti air frigate could not spot your E-3 or your 10 jets in time is.. interesting.
by Democratic Exodian Territories » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:31 pm
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by Rhyssua » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:23 pm
by New Aeyariss » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:38 pm
Thanks for the input mate. As I said before I apreciate input, we all need help from time to time.
Next time though France, if you dissagree with my posts, tell me so we can sort it out. I do appreciate the help I got, but there was no need in blindsiding me. Thats why I try to keep TG contact - to avoid unhappiness.
Furthermore since the platform for this has been opened, this remains a two way street. I asked you if you have naval assets in the area, which was no. Now a ghost carrier has appeared. And the fact that a specialised anti air frigate could not spot your E-3 or your 10 jets in time is.. interesting.
Inyourfaceistan wrote:You didn't know that Cusc is actually a 4-armed cyborg genius commander and skillful warrior created in secret by a cabal of rich capitalist financiers built to lead and army of drones and other renegades against and overbearing socialist regime?
Psalms 144:1 wrote:Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight.
by 6th National Revolutionary France » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:12 pm
Port Ember wrote:New Aeyariss wrote:Okay. @Port Ember just to let you know, France - who is a person I know - had asked me to write on this topic. Therefore, I am. While France's post was not perfect, there is an issue I need to address - and that is, I do not believe that your fleet will be able to just handwave a missile attack, especially a missile attack of this size.
I have mentioned already to you on PMs about radar horizon:(Image)
If what I am reading from France's post is correct, you are dealing with a sea skimmer - a missile that's meant to fly at about 17 meters above sea level. You could have detected the missiles at 400 kilometers had they been flying at a high altitude, like 18-20 km. But because they are flying at near sea level, you probably won't even be able to pick them up until 25 kilometers (which is the radar horizon).
If you add the fact that each of the missiles has low RCS, chances are that you won't even see the strike coming until it hits the fleet. Even if the fleet will be able to react in time, the efficiency of counter - missile systems here is greatly over-estimated, and I believe that you will suffer substantial causalities. How much? It would depend on what you and France are willing to agree on.
Don't take this please as a personal attack on you - it's clear that you are new to this stuff, and it's not my intention to harm you or ruin your fun in any way. We all make mistakes, and no one will hold it against you.
Thanks for the input mate. As I said before I apreciate input, we all need help from time to time.
Next time though France, if you dissagree with my posts, tell me so we can sort it out. I do appreciate the help I got, but there was no need in blindsiding me. Thats why I try to keep TG contact - to avoid unhappiness.
Furthermore since the platform for this has been opened, this remains a two way street. I asked you if you have naval assets in the area, which was no. Now a ghost carrier has appeared. And the fact that a specialised anti air frigate could not spot your E-3 or your 10 jets in time is.. interesting.
But yeah. Appologies for blundering the naval battle - I'll edit soon
by Port Ember » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:59 pm
by 6th National Revolutionary France » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:41 am
by Zhouran » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:03 am
New Aeyariss wrote:The only one which could have been affected would have been the AWACS - but at that time, there is little way in which it would have been reached from 500 kilometers unless you had aviation of your own .
by Democratic Exodian Territories » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:17 am
Democratic Exodian Territories wrote:France, is there by any chance I can pull together the remnants of an Exodian-led crime syndicate or private military corporation that has locations within French territory?
In addition, how late PMT are you willing to go in terms of military tech? Just need to clarify a few things.
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by 6th National Revolutionary France » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:09 am
Democratic Exodian Territories wrote:Democratic Exodian Territories wrote:France, is there by any chance I can pull together the remnants of an Exodian-led crime syndicate or private military corporation that has locations within French territory?
In addition, how late PMT are you willing to go in terms of military tech? Just need to clarify a few things.
Just bumping this.
by The Chuck » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:06 am
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by Rhyssua » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:02 am
The Chuck wrote:I'm interested in hoping into this hot mess. However I was wondering if I could do a bit of character RP and would I need to fill out an app?
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by Democratic Exodian Territories » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:28 pm
The Chuck wrote:I'm interested in hoping into this hot mess. However I was wondering if I could do a bit of character RP and would I need to fill out an app?
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by 6th National Revolutionary France » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:42 pm
The Chuck wrote:I'm interested in hoping into this hot mess. However I was wondering if I could do a bit of character RP and would I need to fill out an app?
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by Rhyssua » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:00 pm
The Chuck wrote:
Alright, someone mind giving me a brief run down of what's going on? I've read over the IC but curious about the entirety and if there is any information I'm missing.
by Democratic Exodian Territories » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:15 pm
Rhyssua wrote:The Chuck wrote:
Alright, someone mind giving me a brief run down of what's going on? I've read over the IC but curious about the entirety and if there is any information I'm missing.
France had another one of their Revolutions, and is now socialist, anti-NATO, and pro-Palestine. Some people (Germany, Poland, Zhouran, and some 4th nation I can't remember) seek friendship with the new France. Others are reacting negatively (Exodia, myself, and most notably Eurasian Peoples, who seems ready to march on Paris). There's a problem with Islamic Extremists, a surprisingly well-armed pirate force has attacked Liberia, and France is coming to their rescue.
I undoubtedly missed something, but this is the gist. Btw France, is Macron dead?
Also, what would my reconnaissance planes pick up, assuming they flew through the Swiss Alps, to Lyon, and then circled back, all at a high altitude?
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