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West coast catches fire AGAIN

Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:08 am

https://globalnews.ca/news/5746603/eagl ... re-friday/

Does this sort of shit happen every year or something? If people keep having to evacuate, why keep coming back? Why not move elsewhere and build a giant canister of water over the whole damn west coast so we can use the inevitable fire for energy instead of fighting the pointless uphill battle against west coast fires?
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Postby Nakena » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:09 am

Climate Change strikes again. Hot times ahead.

The fire keeps rising.
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Postby Harkback Union » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:11 am

This is why we should cut down all the forests.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:12 am

Clearly they just need to rake more leaves.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:12 am

Harkback Union wrote:This is why we should cut down all the forests.
Problem solved.


Apparently it ain't that easy or else they would have already done that. Even if the woods are hacked down theres still little dry bushs and stuff that can fire etc.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:13 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:https://globalnews.ca/news/5746603/eagle-bluff-wildfire-friday/

Does this sort of shit happen every year or something? If people keep having to evacuate, why keep coming back? Why not move elsewhere and build a giant canister of water over the whole damn west coast so we can use the inevitable fire for energy instead of fighting the pointless uphill battle against west coast fires?


Yes, wildfires happen every year and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future as well. This isn't magically something new.

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Postby Aclion » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:17 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:https://globalnews.ca/news/5746603/eagle-bluff-wildfire-friday/

Does this sort of shit happen every year or something?

Yeah?
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:If people keep having to evacuate, why keep coming back?

Same reason people build in flood zones. We pay them to.
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Postby United States of Americanas » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:18 am

The anti science group just got another good slap in the face. Maybe this will wake them up!

CALIFORNIA IS ON FIRE YET AGAIN BECAUSE OF “CLIMATE CHANGE & GLOBAL WARMING INDUCED HEATWAVES MAKING FIRE IGNITION EASIER”

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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:19 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:Yes, wildfires happen every year

And yet the ones I keep hearing about almost always happen on the west coast. Funny how that works out.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:19 am

Climate change. I like in Greece and the amount of fires per year/summer has been increasing steadily for the last 20 years. This year there has been a huge amount of fires worldwide and it's only going to get worse.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:20 am

Aclion wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:https://globalnews.ca/news/5746603/eagle-bluff-wildfire-friday/

Does this sort of shit happen every year or something?

Yeah?
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:If people keep having to evacuate, why keep coming back?

Same reason people build in flood zones. We pay them to.

There are places that are neither prone to forest fires nor to floods. Why not move there?
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:22 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Yes, wildfires happen every year

And yet the ones I keep hearing about almost always happen on the west coast. Funny how that works out.


And? It's almost like the West Coast.. mainly Cali... are known for having massive wildfires.....

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Postby Blanjiland » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:23 am

While I’m not surprised, I’m seriously concerned about the news of yet another wildfire, less than a year apart from the last major one. If they keep increasing in strength and occurrence, soon enough the entire west coast will be a literal hell on earth.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:26 am

Why is it I live in California and I’m only just hearing about this now?
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:27 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Aclion wrote:Yeah?

Same reason people build in flood zones. We pay them to.

There are places that are neither prone to forest fires nor to floods. Why not move there?


Because they are hit by earthquakes, or tsunamis, or tornadoes, or hurricanes, volcanoes, snowstorms, heatwaves. There isn't likely a single place on the planet that isn’t affected by something.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:28 am

Kowani wrote:Why is it I live in California and I’m only just hearing about this now?


Because it happens in British Columbia. And I got told by people from there that it happens there every year and "they don't whine about it". (so they said)
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:29 am

Nakena wrote:
Kowani wrote:Why is it I live in California and I’m only just hearing about this now?


Because it happens in British Columbia. And I got told by people from there that it happens there every year and "they don't whine about it". (so they said)


^ Pretty much this.

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Postby Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:35 am

Dems should not mess with those 666 genders and address this. Reps should not scream "FAKE NEWS" in front of cold hard evidence.

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Postby Jebslund » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:36 am

United States of Americanas wrote:Climate change is fake news say the republican nut job types.

HOWS THIS FOR FAKE NEWS YA TWERPS. CALIFORNIA IS ON FIRE YET AGAIN BECAUSE OF READ CLOSELY “CLIMATE CHANGE & GLOBAL WARMING INDUCED HEATWAVES MAKING FIRE IGNITION EASIER”

*headdesk*

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Ban personal cars that get less than 40mpg? Reasonable*.

Ban gasoline engines in all vehicles? Not so much. At least not until we can safely and cheaply put nuclear reactors into motor vehicles or make solar panels efficient enough that we can get a significant (in terms of charging a car battery) amount of power out of what would fit on a car's roof. The problem with banning gasoline engines is large vehicles (semis, tanks, construction equipment, mining equipment, etc) that need to be able to draw a lot of power from a comparatively small source. Tanks and semis need the space for crew/ammo and cargo, respectively. Construction equipment and mining equipment are built as large as they need to be for the jobs they do, and the amount of batteries needed to supply power tot he latter especially would nearly double the size, and charging those batteries with solar energy would mean quite a lot more space than we have room for. Hydrogen cells are nice, but still on the expensive side, and then there's the fact that we still need to find green ways of making and recycling the batteries for any non-gasoline vehicle in the first place. 2030 is a bit... ambitious. The issues that are within the realm of physically possible will take much longer to solve.

*Once they're cheap enough to be a viable replacement for equivalent gas-powered cars, that is.
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Postby United States of Americanas » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:42 am

Jebslund wrote:
United States of Americanas wrote:Climate change is fake news say the republican nut job types.

HOWS THIS FOR FAKE NEWS YA TWERPS. CALIFORNIA IS ON FIRE YET AGAIN BECAUSE OF READ CLOSELY “CLIMATE CHANGE & GLOBAL WARMING INDUCED HEATWAVES MAKING FIRE IGNITION EASIER”

*headdesk*

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We need to be discouraging people from getting pregnant. Use birth control and adopt.

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Ban personal cars that get less than 40mpg? Reasonable*.

Ban gasoline engines in all vehicles? Not so much. At least not until we can safely and cheaply put nuclear reactors into motor vehicles or make solar panels efficient enough that we can get a significant (in terms of charging a car battery) amount of power out of what would fit on a car's roof. The problem with banning gasoline engines is large vehicles (semis, tanks, construction equipment, mining equipment, etc) that need to be able to draw a lot of power from a comparatively small source. Tanks and semis need the space for crew/ammo and cargo, respectively. Construction equipment and mining equipment are built as large as they need to be for the jobs they do, and the amount of batteries needed to supply power tot he latter especially would nearly double the size, and charging those batteries with solar energy would mean quite a lot more space than we have room for. Hydrogen cells are nice, but still on the expensive side, and then there's the fact that we still need to find green ways of making and recycling the batteries for any non-gasoline vehicle in the first place. 2030 is a bit... ambitious. The issues that are within the realm of physically possible will take much longer to solve.

*Once they're cheap enough to be a viable replacement for equivalent gas-powered cars, that is.


Let me edit that 2030 electric vehicle requirement.

By 2030 all personal vehicles shall be electric and commercial / heavy vehicles shall use the highest efficiency engines available on the market. No commercial vehicle that does not meet (insert a strict but realistic emissions standard here) shall be deemed roadworthy after the 2035 grace period expires. 15 years is more than enough for the commercial industry to buy newer and more efficient engines.

General Electric makes diesel electric hybrid systems which I am sure could be scaled down for a 18 wheeler.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:59 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:https://globalnews.ca/news/5746603/eagle-bluff-wildfire-friday/

Does this sort of shit happen every year or something?

Yes, though climate change is making it worse.
If people keep having to evacuate, why keep coming back?

Because unless their house burns down, that's where they live.
Why not move elsewhere

Lots of reasons. People are often emotionally attached to their homes, especially if their family has lived in that area for several generations. Also it's rather expensive to buy a house. And it's hard to sell a house that needs to be evacuated regularly because of wildfires. And some people just aren't going to that bothered by having to evacuate regularly.
and build a giant canister of water over the whole damn west coast so we can use the inevitable fire for energy instead of fighting the pointless uphill battle against west coast fires?

Lots of reasons. It would be insanely expensive and difficult, both to construct this enormous canister, and to pump water into it. Also it would block the sunlight and kill all the plants underneath it. So you'd maybe get one wildfire and then you'd have killed all plant life on the west coast. Which would kill all the animal life. This would be an ecological disaster far worse than any wildfire and you probably wouldn't even produce as much energy as you spent.
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LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:There are places that are neither prone to forest fires nor to floods. Why not move there?


Because they are hit by earthquakes, or tsunamis, or tornadoes, or hurricanes, volcanoes, snowstorms, heatwaves. There isn't likely a single place on the planet that isn’t affected by something.

Not all disasters are equal. Far more Americans are killed by summer severe weather than winter severe weather. Canadians... that's more of a grey area, but British Columbia frankly has more in common with Oregon than just about anywhere east of the rockies within Canada's borders.


Ifreann wrote:Lots of reasons. It would be insanely expensive and difficult, both to construct this enormous canister, and to pump water into it. Also it would block the sunlight and kill all the plants underneath it. So you'd maybe get one wildfire and then you'd have killed all plant life on the west coast. Which would kill all the animal life. This would be an ecological disaster far worse than any wildfire and you probably wouldn't even produce as much energy as you spent.

Are there any transparent materials that would let the light through to the trees while lasting long enough to (eventually) pay for itself?
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What do you mean that category 6 hurricane that killed 2000 people was caused by climate change? Back when I was a boy in the 1960s, we had hurricanes
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LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
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Because they are hit by earthquakes, or tsunamis, or tornadoes, or hurricanes, volcanoes, snowstorms, heatwaves. There isn't likely a single place on the planet that isn’t affected by something.

Not all disasters are equal. Far more Americans are killed by summer severe weather than winter severe weather. Canadians... that's more of a grey area, but British Columbia frankly has more in common with Oregon than just about anywhere east of the rockies within Canada's borders.


Ifreann wrote:Lots of reasons. It would be insanely expensive and difficult, both to construct this enormous canister, and to pump water into it. Also it would block the sunlight and kill all the plants underneath it. So you'd maybe get one wildfire and then you'd have killed all plant life on the west coast. Which would kill all the animal life. This would be an ecological disaster far worse than any wildfire and you probably wouldn't even produce as much energy as you spent.

Are there any transparent materials that would let the light through to the trees while lasting long enough to (eventually) pay for itself?

No.
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