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Postby Iwassoclose » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:23 pm

Neanderthals were intelligent creatures that evolved parallel to homosapiens until they were wiped out and assimilated by the homosapiens. Studies showed that they were tool users, had art and were capable of speech. Humans being inherently violent creatures, I can see that we won by killing and taking neanderthal women despite being physically weaker and possibly at the same intellectual level. Was it because neanderthals were peaceful relative to the homosapiens? What say you NSG?

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Postby Myrensis » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:56 pm

Iwassoclose wrote:Neanderthals were intelligent creatures that evolved parallel to homosapiens until they were wiped out and assimilated by the homosapiens. Studies showed that they were tool users, had art and were capable of speech. Humans being inherently violent creatures, I can see that we won by killing and taking neanderthal women despite being physically weaker and possibly at the same intellectual level. Was it because neanderthals were peaceful relative to the homosapiens? What say you NSG?


There was no great neanderthal genocide, they died out over the course of thousands of years. As for why, while violence almost certainly did happen, we were also smarter and more adaptable than they were, better able to compete for resources and cope with environmental changes and disasters (including a major volcanic eruption that effected most of Europe around 40,000 years ago), and some portion of them were assimilated via interbreeding.

Apparently hay fever is a legacy of neanderthal interbreeding. Which, I mean, good on Great^99 Grandpa Ugg for getting his end in, but I'd rather have inherited like, super caveman strength or something.

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Postby Nakena » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:05 am

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Postby -Ocelot- » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:29 am

Iwassoclose wrote:Humans being inherently violent creatures


That's not true.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:44 am

-Ocelot- wrote:
Iwassoclose wrote:Humans being inherently violent creatures


That's not true.


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Postby Cetacea » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:54 am

In 2018 a team of University of Tübingen (UIT) researchers found that both Neanderthals and H. sapiens living in the Ice Age sustained similar levels of head trauma.

H sapiens were more altruistic however and tended to their injured whereas Neanderthals didn’t and thus were prone to die younger
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Postby Risottia » Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:00 am

Iwassoclose wrote:Neanderthals were intelligent creatures that evolved parallel to homosapiens

Er, not quite.
"Neanderthals" were a different subspecies of Homo Sapiens, whose trinomial name is H.S.Neanderthalensis. They were NOT a separate species, as proven by the admixture of Neanderthal DNA in contemporary H.S.Sapiens. They evolved in parallel to Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

until they were wiped out and assimilated by the homosapiens.

Source for this claim?

Studies showed that they were tool users, had art and were capable of speech. Humans being inherently violent creatures,

Every Homo Sapiens subspecies is tool-using and produces art. As for the speech claim, we have hints, no proof.
Every Homo Sapiens subspecies is "inherently violent", as proven by our ability to survive competition from other predators, our ability to become apex predators, and our art depicting hunting scenes.

I can see that we won by killing and taking neanderthal women despite being physically weaker

Again: proof?

and possibly at the same intellectual level. Was it because neanderthals were peaceful relative to the homosapiens? What say you NSG?

More likely because the coming of the interglacial favoured the H.S.S. (a subspecies more fit for hotter climates) than the H.S.N. (more fit for colder climates). Also, H.S.S. are likely better runners than the H.S.N. were.

Look at our closest non-human relatives, Pan Troglodytes (the chimpanzee). They are extremely violent tool-users, and practice organised violence. There's no such thing as a peaceful Hominin, because the environment would make them extinct quite soon. H.S.Neanderthal lasted AT LEAST 360,000 years ; they didn't last by being nice to competitors such as Australopitecines and other humans, or to preys and predators.
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Postby Theedland » Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:02 am

Define peaceful. Just them feeding themselves must have involved a great deal of struggling and fighting.

Their diets were something like 80% meat I'm pretty sure, definitely more meat than early humans. They had enlarged livers and kidneys in their barrel-shaped bodies to help handle the increased amount of protein they ate. The Inuit, who are not extinct, also have large livers because of their diets, because the human body's ability to adapt is a wonderful thing. Of course though, enlarging the liver can only go so far- the threat of rabbit starvation due to the protein ceiling still looms over anyone with a mostly-meat diet unless they eat a lot of fat. For the Inuit, raw whale blubber is a delicacy.

The Neanderthals did not live on an ice sheet. Their source of fat as part of a high-meat diet was big game, which they attacked at close range due to their shoulder bones preventing them from using projectile weapons in the same way as modern humans. When pre-1788 Australian Aboriginals, who are anatomically modern humans and who can throw a spear properly, killed a kangaroo, they would often abandon a carcass if no caul fat could be found around the organs and they loved the stuff, they ate it to celebrate a successful hunt. Australian Aboriginals traditionally had a very high-protein diet because of what's available to hunter-gatherers on the Australian continent, so they too needed the fat. Neanderthals couldn't have hunted kangaroos or their Eurasian equivalents because of their shoulder bones, only slower-moving prey which they didn't need to throw anything at because they could come at it without it running away. It's no surprise that Neanderthal skeletons tend to have a ton of healed rib fractures, in the past they've been compared to rodeo riders.

Are you peaceful if your tribe regularly kills large animals in close-quarters fighting? No, but you are pretty awesome. They also probably ate their dead but go to Papua New Guinea and you'll find the same thing, it gives them brain-eating prions but they still to it. A lot of what they did has parallels in human cultures at a similar level of development, it's oddly humanising. I don't doubt they must have been a lot like us.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:14 am

I don't know, man. What qualifies someone as peaceful?

I mean, we kill things, and eat them. That's not nice. But we do try to be quick about it. And mostly we get along with others okay, except for Mugh - who's kind of an asshole. But every tribe's got at least one, don't they?

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Iwassoclose wrote:Neanderthals were intelligent creatures that evolved parallel to homosapiens until they were wiped out and assimilated by the homosapiens. Studies showed that they were tool users, had art and were capable of speech. Humans being inherently violent creatures, I can see that we won by killing and taking neanderthal women despite being physically weaker and possibly at the same intellectual level. Was it because neanderthals were peaceful relative to the homosapiens? What say you NSG?


There was no great neanderthal genocide, they died out over the course of thousands of years. As for why, while violence almost certainly did happen, we were also smarter and more adaptable than they were, better able to compete for resources and cope with environmental changes and disasters (including a major volcanic eruption that effected most of Europe around 40,000 years ago), and some portion of them were assimilated via interbreeding.

Apparently hay fever is a legacy of neanderthal interbreeding. Which, I mean, good on Great^99 Grandpa Ugg for getting his end in, but I'd rather have inherited like, super caveman strength or something.

Mostly Sapiens just significantly outnumbered us.

Average social group size for Sapiens much larger then Neanderthal group size. Even if there hard been no conflict, Neanderthals would ultimately have been swept up by the great mass of humanity coming up from the South.
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Postby Valentine Z » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:16 am

I'm sure that while they don't have political fights, they probably do fought over their territory, food, and on who has the best and shiniest spear in their clan. :P
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They where, then they envented pong and started mass shootings. :p
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:34 am

There's some evidence that Neanderthals refused to adapt to climate change and clung to an "economy" (Method of food production) that was not viable in a changing world, and so their society collapsed and they either died out or were integrated into wider homo sapien communities which *had* adapted, and then the surviving neanderthals were genetically assimilated.

So.

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Postby Purpelia » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:38 am

They were just another breed of human. SO no, they were not peaceful. Not by a long shot. And if you need proof consider that Europeans have a non insignificant percentage of Neanderthal DNA. And we just love our wars.
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Actually we absorbed them into our gene pool. We didn't kill them
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:50 am

Purpelia wrote:They were just another breed of human. SO no, they were not peaceful. Not by a long shot. And if you need proof consider that Europeans have a non insignificant percentage of Neanderthal DNA. And we just love our wars.


The only reason most of African history isn't as bloody is simply because they didn't have the weapons to commit the atrocities Europe did. The urge to commit violence is as strong in Congo as it is in russia, the only difference being the means of murder

And I won't even speak on east asia. The an lushan rebellion alone killed more people than hitler did and that was the equivalent of a low level war
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:51 am

Neanderthals were more peaceful and also likely had lower time preferences and better long-term planning abilities than homo sapiens, but were not as physically strong and were unsuited for the changing climate. Also many simply just interbred into homo sapiens.
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Purpelia wrote:They were just another breed of human. SO no, they were not peaceful. Not by a long shot. And if you need proof consider that Europeans have a non insignificant percentage of Neanderthal DNA. And we just love our wars.


About 4-5% of European DNA is from the Neanderthals, and it's likely we inherited blonde and red hair from them (it was more common amongst them than it was amongst the homo sapiens coming out of Africa). I wouldn't say that's insignificant.
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:They where, then they envented pong and started mass shootings. :p

And pong was very, VERY deadly back then. :P Jagged stones that were used as ping-pong balls.

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Also, due to having cave and rock insurance from GEICO, they realized better cost savings on protecting their land than homo sapiens.

So easy, a caveman could do it.
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Postby The Hindustani State » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:00 am

Neanderthals evolved during the ice age with massive livers and large bodies that needed a meat heavy diet to sustain, it was an offshoot of Homo Sapiens, not a separate species. Once the ice age ended, plus a ton of other factors, but especially their reliance on meat, they died off naturally. When Homo Sapien Sapiens arrived in Europe, they either killed or bred off the remaining neanderthals, which was already a small fraction of their population during the ice age.
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The Hindustani State wrote:Neanderthals evolved during the ice age with massive livers and large bodies that needed a meat heavy diet to sustain, it was an offshoot of Homo Sapiens, not a separate species. Once the ice age ended, plus a ton of other factors, but especially their reliance on meat, they died off naturally. When Homo Sapien Sapiens arrived in Europe, they either killed or bred off the remaining neanderthals, which was already a small fraction of their population during the ice age.

Isn't it believed they had quite a low population density even in their heydey because of their dietary habits?

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Humans have only ever existed in their current form. Neanderthals (as well as other bones of the Homo nomenclature, and dinosaurs) are just misidentified skeletons. This misidentification is not always deliberate, but can be attributed to the belief in the theory of evolution (along with the big bang), itself a proponent of Scientism. What is deliberate is the propagation of these atheistic falsities by the Masonic global cabal.

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New Jewlan wrote:Humans have only ever existed in their current form. Neanderthals (as well as other bones of the Homo nomenclature, and dinosaurs) are just misidentified skeletons. This misidentification is not always deliberate, but can be attributed to the belief in the theory of evolution (along with the big bang), itself a proponent of Scientism. What is deliberate is the propagation of these atheistic falsities by the Masonic global cabal.

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