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What do you think is the best fighter jet?

F-15 Eagle (United States)
13
13%
F-16 Fighting Falcon (United States)
10
10%
F-22 Raptor (United States)
32
31%
F-35 Lightning II (United States)
13
13%
F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet (United States)
6
6%
Eurofighter Typhoon (European Union)
14
14%
Dassault Rafale (France)
3
3%
Sukhoi Su-30 (Soviet Union/Russia)
2
2%
Sukhoi Su-35 (Russia)
7
7%
F-2 Viper Zero (Japan/United States)
3
3%
 
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Postby Springfeal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:48 am

So what do you think is the best fighter jet in the world and why? I think that the American F-22 Raptor is the best since it is very advanced, is a stealth fighter, and armed to the teeth. Sure it is expensive, but I feel that the cost is worth it. While I feel that the F-22 Raptor is the best, I think that other great fighter jets include the:

F-15 Eagle (not a single combat loss)
F-16 Fighting Falcon (advanced and widely exported)
F-35 Lightning II (highly advanced, stealth, versatile, set to be widely exported)
F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet (advanced and highly versatile)
Eurofighter Typhoon (highly advanced)
F-2 Viper Zero (basically an F-16 Fighting Falcon on steroids)

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:22 am

F-15 has the greatest kill ratio of the modern era.

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Postby Springfeal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:23 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:F-15 has the greatest kill ratio of the modern era.


That it does.

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Postby Great New England Confederation » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:25 am

This can be a bit more difficult to answer than simple kill ratios, because fighters can differ based on their role, manufacturer, and the needs of the nation fielding them, as such, what is the best fighter for say the US may not be the best fighter for a nation like Serbia

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Postby Sinyal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:26 am

How about, a kamikaze??
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Postby Springfeal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:27 am

Sinyal wrote:How about, a kamikaze??
This a joke


They had a 90% failure rate.

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Postby Sinyal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:27 am

Springfeal wrote:
Sinyal wrote:How about, a kamikaze??
This a joke


They had a 90% failure rate.

Read the small text :p
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Postby Springfeal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:34 am

Sinyal wrote:
Springfeal wrote:
They had a 90% failure rate.

Read the small text :p


What small text?

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:35 am

Lightning Air Superiority Fighters.
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Postby Otira » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:45 am

Depends on the pilots and the variant/block.

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Postby The South Falls » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:48 am

Obviously the F-84H Thunderscreech. Combining propeller and jet to form a 180dB menace!
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:57 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Lightning Air Superiority Fighters.


The lightning isn’t an air superiority fighter, it’s a multi-role fighter. Better at precision bombing then dog fights.

And it’s obviously the F-22.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:02 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Lightning Air Superiority Fighters.


The lightning isn’t an air superiority fighter, it’s a multi-role fighter. Better at precision bombing then dog fights.

And it’s obviously the F-22.

That implies i was wrong.

We cant have that in the Imperium.

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:08 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The lightning isn’t an air superiority fighter, it’s a multi-role fighter. Better at precision bombing then dog fights.

And it’s obviously the F-22.

That implies i was wrong.

We cant have that in the Imperium.

Report to your nearest Arbite office.


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You were wrong.

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Postby The South Falls » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:09 pm

Actually, I change my answer. The He 162 Volksjager

Maybe it was slow, never got a kill, poorly constructed and the jet burned down easily.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:11 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Lightning Air Superiority Fighters.


The lightning isn’t an air superiority fighter, it’s a multi-role fighter. Better at precision bombing then dog fights.

And it’s obviously the F-22.


But the Lightning was most definitely a point defense fighter.

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Postby Kaltovar » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:30 pm

The best fighter jet in the world on a 1:1 ratio, to my knowledge, is the F-22 raptor.

If you factor in logistics and fighter availability, it would be the F-15 Eagle, in terms of the fighter that is "Best" for a nation who is serious about achieving good air defense at reasonable cost and maintaining it in the long term.

The ideal fighter for the modern era would probably be an updated version of the F-22 Raptor which includes the Battlespace Management and 360 degree view-through-hull capability of the F35 along with probably various other advancements made during that project which are still ongoing.


F-35 is chunky because of the VTOL design and will always have inferior maneuvering compared to a theoretical version of the F-35 not designed for VTOL (the non VTOL versions which exist still have many drawbacks associated with the VTOL design, so there is no version "Not designed for VTOL", just versions which do not feature a VTOL system) ... That being said, the prospect of basing F-35s on small boats that couldn't previously carry fighters (like a Destroyer) is very interesting.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:32 pm

None of them.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:34 pm

Kaltovar wrote:The best fighter jet in the world on a 1:1 ratio, to my knowledge, is the F-22 raptor.

If you factor in logistics and fighter availability, it would be the F-15 Eagle, in terms of the fighter that is "Best" for a nation who is serious about achieving good air defense at reasonable cost and maintaining it in the long term.

The ideal fighter for the modern era would probably be an updated version of the F-22 Raptor which includes the Battlespace Management and 360 degree view-through-hull capability of the F35 along with probably various other advancements made during that project which are still ongoing.


F-35 is chunky because of the VTOL design and will always have inferior maneuvering compared to a theoretical version of the F-35 not designed for VTOL (the non VTOL versions which exist still have many drawbacks associated with the VTOL design, so there is no version "Not designed for VTOL", just versions which do not feature a VTOL system) ... That being said, the prospect of basing F-35s on small boats that couldn't previously carry fighters (like a Destroyer) is very interesting.


F-35s on a destroyer is never going to happen. If you don't have a ramp then the fuel load VTOL aircraft can carry in a vertical lift off reduces the range to "just enough fuel to land again".

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Postby Kaltovar » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:38 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
F-35s on a destroyer is never going to happen. If you don't have a ramp then the fuel load VTOL aircraft can carry in a vertical lift off reduces the range to "just enough fuel to land again".


So why not tow a ramp barge behind you in the water? You'd have enough range for reasonable engagements and then a VTOL landing then yeah? You could unlock the ramp in combat and have your full maneuvering if necessary.

I just looked it up and there's a lot more problems with that idea. https://www.quora.com/With-the-advent-o ... ghter-jets
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Postby Monsone » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:58 pm

This will be controversial, but how about the F/A-18E/F? Itis a good multi-role plane which is well respected by its pilots and is quite rugged. After all, it does opperate from Aircraft Carriers, Road Strips, Regular Runways and more. Also, it is capable of refueling other planes in air. Now, before anyone says that it isn't succesfull because few countries opperate it, that is due to US policy and not capabilities.

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Postby Grater Tovakia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:10 pm

This thread is invalid as the F-14 is not on here...


Also, how do you classify Fighter Jet? Each jet has its own strength if we are talking A2A F-22 is my bet though.


Loben The 2nd wrote:F-15 has the greatest kill ratio of the modern era.


Oh how wrong you are my friend, look up the F-14 kill ratio and get back to me.



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Postby Springfeal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:06 pm

Grater Tovakia wrote:This thread is invalid as the F-14 is not on here...


Also, how do you classify Fighter Jet? Each jet has its own strength if we are talking A2A F-22 is my bet though.


Loben The 2nd wrote:F-15 has the greatest kill ratio of the modern era.


Oh how wrong you are my friend, look up the F-14 kill ratio and get back to me.



and for those who like the f-18 I leave you with this: Image


The F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet is super cool and a huge improvement over the original Hornets.

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Postby Novus America » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:15 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Lightning Air Superiority Fighters.


The lightning isn’t an air superiority fighter, it’s a multi-role fighter. Better at precision bombing then dog fights.

And it’s obviously the F-22.


The F-22 is basically a twin engines F-35 with vectored thrust. Definitely better at air superiority by less effective as a mult-role fighter.

We definitely need to start production of an F-22B. Basically take the avionics and engines from a F-35 on a F-22 airframe with the thrust vector nozzles on the engines.
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Postby Dresderstan » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:17 pm

Simple the F-22, no contest. The F-35 is basically just a new remade F-22 but with a single engine rather than a twin engine.
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