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20 Killed 26 injured in El Paso, Tx Walmart Shooting

Postby Imperial States America » Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:56 am

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/activ ... spartanntp
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/03/us/el-pa ... index.html

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/ ... 910012001/

Multiple people were killed Saturday in a shooting in El Paso, Texas, the chief of staff to the city's mayor said.
Suspects are in custody, Olivia Zepeda said. It wasn't immediately clear how many people were in custody or how many had been killed or hurt.


not much in the media pipe lines but multiple agencies reported that around 18 people injured from the shooting and multiple businesses near the area as well as a school near by were placed on lock down.


Update: Multiple people are dead and three people are in custody after a shooting Saturday morning at an El Paso, Texas Walmart, according to authorities.
"We're searching multiple scenes, but primarily the Walmart," said Sgt. Enrique Carrillo of the El Paso Police Department, pointing to a nearby mall as another area of focus. "There is not an imminent threat. There is no active shooter currently."
Mayor Dee Margo told CNN three people are in custody, but he did not give a number of victims.
"This is a tragedy we would have never ever thought would happen in El Paso," he said.
The police department tweeted to stay away from the Cielo Vista Mall area. The police also said people should avoid the area from Airway Boulevard to Hawkins Boulevard to north of Interstate 10, near the Walmart.
Multiple videos on social media posted by shoppers have shown people fleeing the nearby mall.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:58 am

Aren't red states like Texas supposed to be all about Good Guys With Guns and the blue states are the places mass shooters have a field day?
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Postby Kowani » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:01 pm

Gormwood wrote:Aren't red states like Texas supposed to be all about Good Guys With Guns and the blue states are the places mass shooters have a field day?

About that…
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:02 pm

Gormwood wrote:Aren't red states like Texas supposed to be all about Good Guys With Guns and the blue states are the places mass shooters have a field day?

Oh cut it out Gauth. You can go grandstand somewhere else, let the bodies cool will ya though?
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Postby Cydalia » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:04 pm

Gormwood wrote:Aren't red states like Texas supposed to be all about Good Guys With Guns and the blue states are the places mass shooters have a field day?

here we go again fellas
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Postby Kowani » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:04 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Aren't red states like Texas supposed to be all about Good Guys With Guns and the blue states are the places mass shooters have a field day?

Oh cut it out Gauth. You can go grandstand somewhere else, let the bodies cool will ya though?

I will never understand this logic.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:06 pm

Gormwood wrote:Aren't red states like Texas supposed to be all about Good Guys With Guns and the blue states are the places mass shooters have a field day?

Here's the thing: this logic doesn't apply to multiple shooters(which is starting to look less like "lone nutjob" and more like "terrorist attack").
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:07 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Aren't red states like Texas supposed to be all about Good Guys With Guns and the blue states are the places mass shooters have a field day?

Oh cut it out Gauth. You can go grandstand somewhere else, let the bodies cool will ya though?

Like here?
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Postby Cydalia » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:08 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Oh cut it out Gauth. You can go grandstand somewhere else, let the bodies cool will ya though?

Like here?

And how many times have you said stuff like this, compared to them?
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Postby Andsed » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:09 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Oh cut it out Gauth. You can go grandstand somewhere else, let the bodies cool will ya though?

Like here?

Someone else doing this does not excuse you doing this.


Anyway my condolences to the victims of this tragedy. Not much else that I can say.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:09 pm

Kowani wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Oh cut it out Gauth. You can go grandstand somewhere else, let the bodies cool will ya though?

I will never understand this logic.

It doesn't do anything. It's tired old shit that just incites fights.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:10 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Kowani wrote:I will never understand this logic.

It doesn't do anything. It's tired old shit that just incites fights.

I suppose on NSG that makes sense. In public discourse, I disagree entirely.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:11 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Oh cut it out Gauth. You can go grandstand somewhere else, let the bodies cool will ya though?

Like here?

If I shoot you, that doesn't mean we should set all murders free.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:11 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Aren't red states like Texas supposed to be all about Good Guys With Guns and the blue states are the places mass shooters have a field day?

Here's the thing: this logic doesn't apply to multiple shooters(which is starting to look less like "lone nutjob" and more like "terrorist attack").

At a Walmart of all places. Plus the GGWAG logic should still apply. If the possibility of multiple people carrying firearms is supposed to deter and stop single shooters, why does it not apply to multiple shooters especially in a state where everyone theoretically has access to the same firearms? And if the shooters are actually terrorists, rather damning they had access in the first place.

Walmarts have guns and ammo in stock far as I recall.
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Postby Cydalia » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:12 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Like here?

If I shoot you, that doesn't mean we should set all murders free.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:12 pm

Kowani wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Oh cut it out Gauth. You can go grandstand somewhere else, let the bodies cool will ya though?

I will never understand this logic.

Excuse me for believing that the use of snark and attempts to score political points whenever a tragedy happens is abhorrent.

I’m not saying that we can’t give ideas on how to fix the issues that cause these tragedies but we could do it without the snark
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:14 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Here's the thing: this logic doesn't apply to multiple shooters(which is starting to look less like "lone nutjob" and more like "terrorist attack").

At a Walmart of all places. Plus the GGWAG logic should still apply. If the possibility of multiple people carrying firearms is supposed to deter and stop single shooters, why does it not apply to multiple shooters especially in a state where everyone theoretically has access to the same firearms? And if the shooters are actually terrorists, rather damning they had access in the first place.
Logic like that is stupid, we get it. No one here has advocated it.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:15 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Gormwood wrote:At a Walmart of all places. Plus the GGWAG logic should still apply. If the possibility of multiple people carrying firearms is supposed to deter and stop single shooters, why does it not apply to multiple shooters especially in a state where everyone theoretically has access to the same firearms? And if the shooters are actually terrorists, rather damning they had access in the first place.
Logic like that is stupid, we get it. No one here has advocated it.

Not yet because nobody called for Texas to start regulating so far.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:17 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Oh cut it out Gauth. You can go grandstand somewhere else, let the bodies cool will ya though?

Like here?

Gauth I’ve been pretty consistent about this. I think what they said in that post is also abhorrent and they shouldn’t have said it.

If I had seen it I would have said something about it. Your sad attempt at a gotcha as been noted
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Postby Kowani » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:20 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Kowani wrote:I will never understand this logic.

Excuse me for believing that the use of snark and attempts to score political points whenever a tragedy happens is abhorrent.

I’m not saying that we can’t give ideas on how to fix the issues that cause these tragedies but we could do it without the snark

That’s fair.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:24 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Here's the thing: this logic doesn't apply to multiple shooters(which is starting to look less like "lone nutjob" and more like "terrorist attack").

At a Walmart of all places. Plus the GGWAG logic should still apply.

Not really, no. Terrorism- or any other planned and organized attack- is categorically different from a lone nutjob who just wants to be on the news for a while.
If the possibility of multiple people carrying firearms is supposed to deter and stop single shooters, why does it not apply to multiple shooters especially in a state where everyone theoretically has access to the same firearms?

GGWAG as a talking point might be used to refer to cases like this. It shouldn't be, because nearly all shooters in things like this are not rational creatures and thus unlikely to be deterred.
GGWAG as a talking point really should only be applied to ODC and sexual crimes, because these are crimes where the deterrent effect actually exists.
And if the shooters are actually terrorists, rather damning they had access in the first place.

Why? We tend to accept that terrorists and organized crime syndicates have an easier time getting illegal guns than your run of the mill nutjob or liquor store robber.
Walmarts have guns and ammo in stock far as I recall.

Yes, they do, but it's typically not the sort of store a hardcore gun nut would be shopping at. Maybe running in to make a quick ammo purchase, but their firearms selection is mostly biased pretty strongly towards hunting guns and not the kind of target and self-defense guns your gun nuts tend to like browsing.

Anyways, I'm not 100% opposed to gun control, but let's see how they got their guns before calling for more gun control measures.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:29 pm

Not another gun control thread.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:32 pm

God, you can't even go down to the corner to buy milk anyone without being slain by some weirdo with a gun. While I would love if this was the moment something changed, where society worked together to put an end to gun violence, I highly doubt that'll happen. This will be another massacre that'll quickly be drowned out in the news by a new one. We Aren't even a week past the gilroy shooting and already we got another mass casualty attack. Clearly something is wrong in the United States
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:33 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:God, you can't even go down to the corner to buy milk anyone without being slain by some weirdo with a gun. While I would love if this was the moment something changed, where society worked together to put an end to gun violence, I highly doubt that'll happen. This will be another massacre that'll quickly be drowned out in the news by a new one. We Aren't even a week past the gilroy shooting and already we got another mass casualty attack. Clearly something is wrong in the United States

Not enough Good Guys apparently.
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Postby San Carlos Islands » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:36 pm

Where did you get the 18 killed number?
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