Mosque in Galway vandalised in early morning attack

[Jolthig]

Christianity didn't exactly invade Ireland, it was assimilated into the culture and society of the time. Many of the pagan (for want of a better word, because I don't know if you should be saying druidic) customs, holidays, beliefs, are to be found in many places today in Christian Ireland.

On many occasions, pagan Kings openly converted to Christianity, there wasn't a violent invasion. They welcomed and accepted it under the influence of Christian missionaries, such as St. Patrick for instance. But they didn't get a sword to the back of the neck if they refused to accept.

Then, neither does the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community forcefully push their beliefs on the Irish people.

Also, you can't just throw in a few groups of muslims into the whole of islam.

[Scomagia]

I think referring to religions invading Ireland is irrelevant to this topic. Unless those who call Islam invasive are willing to accept that Christianity was invasive to Ireland as well. But in the end, this is not the topic.

Regardless of anything, vandalism of a place of worship is shitty, no matter who does it and no matter what they may consider their justification.

Yes. It's shitty to desecrate places people value. Reminds me of a Hispanic church in one of my old neighborhoods that got hit with gang tags. Pathetic.

[Scomagia]

Christianity didn't exactly invade Ireland, it was assimilated into the culture and society of the time. Many of the pagan (for want of a better word, because I don't know if you should be saying druidic) customs, holidays, beliefs, are to be found in many places today in Christian Ireland.

On many occasions, pagan Kings openly converted to Christianity, there wasn't a violent invasion. They welcomed and accepted it under the influence of Christian missionaries, such as St. Patrick for instance. But they didn't get a sword to the back of the neck if they refused to accept.

Who is being put to the sword in Ireland right now, exactly?

[Gormwood]

Unless you're Muslim of course.

Don't you know? Converts are foreign barbarians!

Muslims don't drink.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I think referring to religions invading Ireland is irrelevant to this topic. Unless those who call Islam invasive are willing to accept that Christianity was invasive to Ireland as well. But in the end, this is not the topic.

Regardless of anything, vandalism of a place of worship is shitty, no matter who does it and no matter what they may consider their justification.

Yes. It's shitty to desecrate places people value. Reminds me of a Hispanic church in one of my old neighborhoods that got hit with gang tags. Pathetic.

Especially those of worship. Gang tag a bank, I don’t care. Don’t vandalize a church, or a mosque, or a temple, or a synagogue.

[Scomagia]

Yes. It's shitty to desecrate places people value. Reminds me of a Hispanic church in one of my old neighborhoods that got hit with gang tags. Pathetic.

Especially those of worship. Gang tag a bank, I don’t care. Don’t vandalize a church, or a mosque, or a temple, or a synagogue.

I don't like gang tags on anything. It's an attempt to claim shared space and intimidate.

But yes, it's worse when it's against churches and the like.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Especially those of worship. Gang tag a bank, I don’t care. Don’t vandalize a church, or a mosque, or a temple, or a synagogue.

I don't like gang tags on anything. It's an attempt to claim shared space and intimidate.

But yes, it's worse when it's against churches and the like.

Peace, b*tches!

[Hrstrovokia]

Who is being put to the sword in Ireland right now, exactly?

Look I'm just saying how Christianity was spread in Ireland, from the perspective of someone who is Irish and is aware of Irish history. Someone ascribed it to being an invasion, with all the associations naturally that come with invasion - violent, destructive etc. It wasn't like that really. Not to say Ireland was a peaceful place during or since for many hundreds of years.

[Jolthig]

Who is being put to the sword in Ireland right now, exactly?

Look I'm just saying how Christianity was spread in Ireland, from the perspective of someone who is Irish and is aware of Irish history. Someone ascribed it to being an invasion, with all the associations naturally that come with invasion - violent, destructive etc. It wasn't like that really. Not to say Ireland was a peaceful place during or since for many hundreds of years.

Sure, but it's also a mistake on your part to assert that Muslims are here to invade Ireland. That is really not the case. Ireland, like many other secular democracies has freedom of religion. On top of that, they are a country that allows immigrants especially refugees from the middle east to come in to live in Ireland. Members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community are included in these refugee categories as they are fleeing from persecution in Pakistan and other Muslim majority nations. For non-Ahmadis, they're trying to escape war. I highly doubt Muslims who are trying to escape war and persecution are here to invade Ireland. This is a mistaken assertion and presupposing the beliefs of all Muslims.

[Kowani]

Don't you know? Converts are foreign barbarians!

Muslims don't drink.

In Irish culture, that might as well be worshiping Satan.

[Scomagia]

I don't like gang tags on anything. It's an attempt to claim shared space and intimidate.

But yes, it's worse when it's against churches and the like.

Peace, b*tches!

I thought you'd like that.

[Scomagia]

Who is being put to the sword in Ireland right now, exactly?

Look I'm just saying how Christianity was spread in Ireland, from the perspective of someone who is Irish and is aware of Irish history. Someone ascribed it to being an invasion, with all the associations naturally that come with invasion - violent, destructive etc. It wasn't like that really. Not to say Ireland was a peaceful place during or since for many hundreds of years.

I took your post as implying that Islam is spreading itself in Ireland through force. If I was in error, I apologize, but Islam is kinda the point of the thread in a way.

[Hrstrovokia]

Sure, but it's also a mistake on your part to assert that Muslims are here to invade Ireland. That is really not the case. Ireland, like many other secular democracies has freedom of religion. On top of that, they are a country that allows immigrants especially refugees from the middle east to come in to live in Ireland. Members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community are included in these refugee categories as they are fleeing from persecution in Pakistan and other Muslim majority nations. For non-Ahmadis, they're trying to escape war. I highly doubt Muslims who are trying to escape war and persecution are here to invade Ireland. This is a mistaken assertion and presupposing the beliefs of all Muslims.

I have not said that Muslims are here to invade Ireland. Where have you gotten that from?

[Jolthig]

Sure, but it's also a mistake on your part to assert that Muslims are here to invade Ireland. That is really not the case. Ireland, like many other secular democracies has freedom of religion. On top of that, they are a country that allows immigrants especially refugees from the middle east to come in to live in Ireland. Members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community are included in these refugee categories as they are fleeing from persecution in Pakistan and other Muslim majority nations. For non-Ahmadis, they're trying to escape war. I highly doubt Muslims who are trying to escape war and persecution are here to invade Ireland. This is a mistaken assertion and presupposing the beliefs of all Muslims.

I have not said that Muslims are here to invade Ireland. Where have you gotten that from?

You are in the correct. I mistook your post to mean you were asserting muslims are invading ireland so an unintentional strawman. Apologies.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Sure, but it's also a mistake on your part to assert that Muslims are here to invade Ireland. That is really not the case. Ireland, like many other secular democracies has freedom of religion. On top of that, they are a country that allows immigrants especially refugees from the middle east to come in to live in Ireland. Members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community are included in these refugee categories as they are fleeing from persecution in Pakistan and other Muslim majority nations. For non-Ahmadis, they're trying to escape war. I highly doubt Muslims who are trying to escape war and persecution are here to invade Ireland. This is a mistaken assertion and presupposing the beliefs of all Muslims.

I have not said that Muslims are here to invade Ireland. Where have you gotten that from?

That has been said in the thread, which is why I find it ludicrous to allege it is invading a country with freedom of religion. And if we’re going to claim that, then we should agree that Christianity is also an invading creed. As well as any other nonnative religion that has adherents in Ireland.