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Postby North German Realm » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:18 am

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Dude, your claim is inaccurate. It's pretty inaccurate to consider "southern German East Africa that was annexed by Portugal after WWI" to be "Mozambique".

His inclusion of Kenya, Mozambique, and Uganda as former Germany colony's doesn't discredited the fact that everything else he said is absolutely correct.

And he wasn't incorrect in claiming Kenya, Mozambique, and Uganda were former German Colonies. German East Africa was later partitioned between the UK, Belgium, and Portugal -hence Mozambique, Kenya, and Uganda
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Postby Heloin » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:23 am

North German Realm wrote:
Heloin wrote:His inclusion of Kenya, Mozambique, and Uganda as former Germany colony's doesn't discredited the fact that everything else he said is absolutely correct.

And he wasn't incorrect in claiming Kenya, Mozambique, and Uganda were former German Colonies. German East Africa was later partitioned between the UK, Belgium, and Portugal -hence Mozambique, Kenya, and Uganda

Adorable, completely incorrect unless you think the whole Kionga Triangle is all of Mozambique then you really need to read up on you're historical geography. As for Kenya and Uganda, that's just flatly wrong.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:30 am

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Germany's colonies were Cameroon, Nigeria, Chad, Guinea, Central African Republic, Ghana, Togo, Namibia, Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Palau, Federated States of Micronesia, Nauru, Northern Mariana Islands, Marshall Islands, Samoa, Burundi, Kenya, Mozambique, Rwanda, and Tanzania.

Those weren't colonies. Russia colonised Alaska and California.




Well that's not very enlightening. It doesn't say anything about how many immigrants to Spain come from former Spanish Empire colonies. The sentence doesn't even finish. And the Full Answer button just links to the Wikipedia page for immigration to Spain. Which says:

I don't recall Spain colonising Romania, but I'm no historian.


That's not what your sources say.

Maybe recheck them, because the sources you've given don't really back up your assertion.


Dude, your claim is inaccurate. It's pretty inaccurate to consider "southern German East Africa that was annexed by Portugal after WWI" to be "Mozambique".

Germany's colonial holdings included territories that today are part of those listed nations. Part of what is today Mozambique was once part of German East Africa. Clearly I could have been more accurate, but my point stands.
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Postby North German Realm » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:32 am

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North German Realm wrote:And he wasn't incorrect in claiming Kenya, Mozambique, and Uganda were former German Colonies. German East Africa was later partitioned between the UK, Belgium, and Portugal -hence Mozambique, Kenya, and Uganda

Adorable, completely incorrect unless you think the whole Kionga Triangle is all of Mozambique then you really need to read up on you're historical geography. As for Kenya and Uganda, that's just flatly wrong.

Actually they did control territory in Kenya (specifically, Deutsch-Wittu) and some territory along the coasts of Lake Tanganyika north of what is now Rwanda. Similarly, they held territory in Mozambique. I never they controlled "all" of the aforementioned three countries, you just seem to have an irrational need to antagonize others and thus jumped to conclusions.
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Postby Heloin » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:52 am

North German Realm wrote:
Heloin wrote:Adorable, completely incorrect unless you think the whole Kionga Triangle is all of Mozambique then you really need to read up on you're historical geography. As for Kenya and Uganda, that's just flatly wrong.

Actually they did control territory in Kenya (specifically, Deutsch-Wittu) and some territory along the coasts of Lake Tanganyika north of what is now Rwanda.

Germany holding less then kilometre's of inconsequential territory in what is now Kenya and Uganda does not make them controllers of either territory. That like saying the UK controls Spain because of Gibraltar. I don't see what this adds or takes away from Ifreann's point?

Similarly, they held territory in Mozambique.

I just mentioned all the territory they ever held in Mozambique.

I never they controlled "all" of the aforementioned three countries, you just seem to have an irrational need to antagonize others and thus jumped to conclusions.

If that makes you feel better, sure.

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Postby Ayytaly » Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:02 am

Asians adopting many Anglo aspects can pass off as white. Imagine being Japanese and be considered whiter than an Italian simply because of that.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:10 am

Ayytaly wrote:Asians adopting many Anglo aspects can pass off as white. Imagine being Japanese and be considered whiter than an Italian simply because of that.


Fr a lot of Japanese ppl have lighter skin than Italians
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:14 am

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Ayytaly wrote:Asians adopting many Anglo aspects can pass off as white. Imagine being Japanese and be considered whiter than an Italian simply because of that.


Fr a lot of Japanese ppl have lighter skin than Italians


But that doesn't make them white - so race clearly isn't just skin color.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:15 am

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Fr a lot of Japanese ppl have lighter skin than Italians


But that doesn't make them white - so race clearly isn't just skin color.


We really should stop using color terms to describe race. It isn't very accurate
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Postby Nakena » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:17 am

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But that doesn't make them white - so race clearly isn't just skin color.


We really should stop using color terms to describe race. It isn't very accurate


So it's european then?

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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:17 am

Neko-koku wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
Germany's colonies were Cameroon, Nigeria, Chad, Guinea, Central African Republic, Ghana, Togo, Namibia, Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Palau, Federated States of Micronesia, Nauru, Northern Mariana Islands, Marshall Islands, Samoa, Burundi, Kenya, Mozambique, Rwanda, and Tanzania.

Those weren't colonies. Russia colonised Alaska and California.




Well that's not very enlightening. It doesn't say anything about how many immigrants to Spain come from former Spanish Empire colonies. The sentence doesn't even finish. And the Full Answer button just links to the Wikipedia page for immigration to Spain. Which says:

I don't recall Spain colonising Romania, but I'm no historian.


That's not what your sources say.

Maybe recheck them, because the sources you've given don't really back up your assertion.


Dude, your claim is inaccurate. It's pretty inaccurate to consider "southern German East Africa that was annexed by Portugal after WWI" to be "Mozambique".


One of my family friends is a fucking nutcase Afrikaner who lives near the border of Mozambique and regularly hangs out with some tribe there. He owns a factory out there and regularly pays the tribe to be his be his security force. Guy's killed looters, gotten into shootouts, and fired RPGs. Complete lunatic but also hard as nails and refuses to leave.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:18 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
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But that doesn't make them white - so race clearly isn't just skin color.


We really should stop using color terms to describe race. It isn't very accurate


Well white is usually shorthand for European-descent, but I agree that their are better terms. Blacks in the US have African-American. It might be more accurate to call us Euro-American.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:29 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
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But that doesn't make them white - so race clearly isn't just skin color.


We really should stop using color terms to describe race. It isn't very accurate

Race isn't accurate. It's a social construct with no basis in biology.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:43 am

Ifreann wrote:
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We really should stop using color terms to describe race. It isn't very accurate

Race isn't accurate. It's a social construct with no basis in biology.


People do differ in appearance worldwide. That being said they aren't genetically very different at all. Everyone is the same species. I think culture is a better way to classify people than race. I identify more with a black latino than with an Italian because they're from my culture while Italians are similar but not the exact same culture. And there's a bigger gulf between a black latino and a Congolese person than there is between the lightest skinned Latino in america and a Dominican
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:46 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
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We really should stop using color terms to describe race. It isn't very accurate


Well white is usually shorthand for European-descent, but I agree that their are better terms. Blacks in the US have African-American. It might be more accurate to call us Euro-American.


I don't really even like those terms although they're more accurate. There's a big cultural difference between Europeans and people in America of European descent, and Americans of African heritage are also very culturally different from africans. Black American culture is a very American heritage and has been separate from Africa for hundreds of years.

Really, anyone in america is just american. We do culturally differ somewhat but we have more in common with each other than with the people in places we came from
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Postby Ayytaly » Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:28 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Well white is usually shorthand for European-descent, but I agree that their are better terms. Blacks in the US have African-American. It might be more accurate to call us Euro-American.


I don't really even like those terms although they're more accurate. There's a big cultural difference between Europeans and people in America of European descent, and Americans of African heritage are also very culturally different from africans. Black American culture is a very American heritage and has been separate from Africa for hundreds of years.

Really, anyone in america is just american. We do culturally differ somewhat but we have more in common with each other than with the people in places we came from


US Black "culture" and ebonics are ultimately offshoots of southern US white "culture" and parlances. Their vocabulary is roughly 90% the same.

Also, shouldn't "American" be exclusively applied to the indigenous people? After all, the term was originally of a continental context, and chiefly to it's pre-colonial inhabitants. Still is in the Romance languages regarding the former.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:44 pm

Ayytaly wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
I don't really even like those terms although they're more accurate. There's a big cultural difference between Europeans and people in America of European descent, and Americans of African heritage are also very culturally different from africans. Black American culture is a very American heritage and has been separate from Africa for hundreds of years.

Really, anyone in america is just american. We do culturally differ somewhat but we have more in common with each other than with the people in places we came from


US Black "culture" and ebonics are ultimately offshoots of southern US white "culture" and parlances. Their vocabulary is roughly 90% the same.

Also, shouldn't "American" be exclusively applied to the indigenous people? After all, the term was originally of a continental context, and chiefly to it's pre-colonial inhabitants. Still is in the Romance languages regarding the former.

…At least in Southern Spain, we switch back and forth between estadounidenses and americanos to refer to Americans. Indigenous Americans are…still called Indians.
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Postby Ayytaly » Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:49 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:
US Black "culture" and ebonics are ultimately offshoots of southern US white "culture" and parlances. Their vocabulary is roughly 90% the same.

Also, shouldn't "American" be exclusively applied to the indigenous people? After all, the term was originally of a continental context, and chiefly to it's pre-colonial inhabitants. Still is in the Romance languages regarding the former.

…At least in Southern Spain, we switch back and forth between estadounidenses and americanos to refer to Americans. Indigenous Americans are…still called Indians.


¿España inferior hacén eso, o solo vos?

My Spanish is rather rusty, but can you elaborate?
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Postby Pacomia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:53 pm

Ayytaly wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
I don't really even like those terms although they're more accurate. There's a big cultural difference between Europeans and people in America of European descent, and Americans of African heritage are also very culturally different from africans. Black American culture is a very American heritage and has been separate from Africa for hundreds of years.

Really, anyone in america is just american. We do culturally differ somewhat but we have more in common with each other than with the people in places we came from


US Black "culture" and ebonics are ultimately offshoots of southern US white "culture" and parlances. Their vocabulary is roughly 90% the same.

Also, shouldn't "American" be exclusively applied to the indigenous people? After all, the term was originally of a continental context, and chiefly to it's pre-colonial inhabitants. Still is in the Romance languages regarding the former.

“United Statesese” just doesn’t sound as good, you know?
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Postby Neko-koku » Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:55 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:
US Black "culture" and ebonics are ultimately offshoots of southern US white "culture" and parlances. Their vocabulary is roughly 90% the same.

Also, shouldn't "American" be exclusively applied to the indigenous people? After all, the term was originally of a continental context, and chiefly to it's pre-colonial inhabitants. Still is in the Romance languages regarding the former.

“United Statesese” just doesn’t sound as good, you know?

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Postby North German Realm » Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:56 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:
US Black "culture" and ebonics are ultimately offshoots of southern US white "culture" and parlances. Their vocabulary is roughly 90% the same.

Also, shouldn't "American" be exclusively applied to the indigenous people? After all, the term was originally of a continental context, and chiefly to it's pre-colonial inhabitants. Still is in the Romance languages regarding the former.

“United Statesese” just doesn’t sound as good, you know?

TBQH Picking the name of the continent as the name for the country was a bit too much in the first place.
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Postby Ayytaly » Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:59 pm

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Pacomia wrote:“United Statesese” just doesn’t sound as good, you know?

TBQH Picking the name of the continent as the name for the country was a bit too much in the first place.
The term Statesider was coined just for that
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:03 pm

Ayytaly wrote:
Kowani wrote:…At least in Southern Spain, we switch back and forth between estadounidenses and americanos to refer to Americans. Indigenous Americans are…still called Indians.


¿España inferior hacén eso, o solo vos?

My Spanish is rather rusty, but can you elaborate?

I’m from Granada, on the Southern coast, right? Down here, the words Estadounidense (United Statesian) and Americano (American) are used interchangeably. The higher up you go on the social scale and the more educated people are, you hear the Estadounidense more. Indigenous Americans are called the same thing they were in the time of Columbus, that is to say, Indians.
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Postby Ayytaly » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:18 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:
¿España inferior hacén eso, o solo vos?

My Spanish is rather rusty, but can you elaborate?

I’m from Granada, on the Southern coast, right? Down here, the words Estadounidense (United Statesian) and Americano (American) are used interchangeably. The higher up you go on the social scale and the more educated people are, you hear the Estadounidense more. Indigenous Americans are called the same thing they were in the time of Columbus, that is to say, Indians.


Odd how the actual Indians and their civilizations were well-known around Europe, particularly in racial profiling. But thanks to Columbus, the term "dot or feather" was coined. Illiteracy and lack of education must've been frequent amongst sailors.

As for the demonyms, it's technically correct to refer to US people as "americans", but in a pars pro totum manner, not the inverse.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:22 pm

Ayytaly wrote:
Kowani wrote:I’m from Granada, on the Southern coast, right? Down here, the words Estadounidense (United Statesian) and Americano (American) are used interchangeably. The higher up you go on the social scale and the more educated people are, you hear the Estadounidense more. Indigenous Americans are called the same thing they were in the time of Columbus, that is to say, Indians.


Odd how the actual Indians and their civilizations were well-known around Europe, particularly in racial profiling. But thanks to Columbus, the term "dot or feather" was coined. Illiteracy and lack of education must've been frequent amongst sailors.
Well, he thought he’d found India. India being so diverse, he probably thought he’d just run into another part of it.

As for the demonyms, it's technically correct to refer to US people as "americans", but in a pars pro totum manner, not the inverse.

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