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Postby Suidoos-Afrika » Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:45 am

This thread is to gauge interest in a Bush War type conflict that would take place in this nation in the present day. In the OP I will try and give a pretty detailed (but quite brief for convenience sake) description of some important history, back story, and context of this nation especially in regards to race relations and politics. As the history and such of this nation is currently being written as I go it is very possible that I may not touch on anything and so questions can also be asked. I may also update the info given if I feel it is not enough.

This thread will also serve for those who are interested to do some planning and put forward ideas to hopefully develop the thread and what will end up taking place. I would also like to state now that the racial ideas and issues behind this nation in NO WAY reflect my actual views. This nation is entirely a world building project of mine regarding the many issues a more equally racially divided African nation with a terrible history that led to the unique demography would cause. That being said, Ill introduce some relevant info on the history and some framing ideas for the thread overall!

The Republic Of South East Africa's history of European settlement goes back to 1498 with the establishment of Portuguese East Africa. Several hundred to several thousands of South African Boers ended up settling in the southern areas beginning in 1836, and continued for much of the century. Portuguese rule continued until 1886, when much of PEA was purchased by the new German Empire in order to expand on their African holdings, and after many petitions by the overgrowing Boer population. Under German rule, the native population such as the Mukhuwa and Shona became subject to a brutal system of rule under Lothar von Trotha, who would later go on to become the architect of the war and subsequent genocide of the Herero in German Southwest Africa. It is unknown exactly how many native peoples were massacred or displaced, but the consequences of this tragedy would forever impact the demographics of what would eventually become South East Africa. The Boers that had continued to settle in SEA were more officially welcomed and encouraged by the German Empire, and numbers increased even further as more land became available from the Mukhuwa Genocide. The increasing white population was further increased at the turn of the 20th century through German immigration, as German Southeast Africa was advertised as a "true home for the white man on the dark continent" by the Imperial government. The result of the Second Boer War led to further immigration as thousands fled to SEA after the fall of the Boer Republics (numerous Boers from neighboring SEA also volunteered to fight in both the First and Second Boer War). The massive increase of Europeans and Boers led to more conflict with the natives, leading to further massacres that were often supported directly by the colonial government. The German loss in WWI led to German SEA becoming British SEA, however the transition met with fierce resistance by the mostly German and Boer white population and armed guerrilla actions continued all the way through the post war era in varying intensities, becoming especially intensified following the Statute of Westminster that gave sovereignty to the neighboring Union of South Africa and during WWII as sympathies largely fell with the Axis. Despite a brief attempt to solidify British rule following WWII, first through attempts to reconcile the white British and Boer and German populations, and eventually in ending the longstanding insurrection through military force, Britain finally relented amid public war weariness and withdrew in 1950, officially marking the independence of the Republic of South East Africa. Almost immediately, a particularly rigid and harsh system of apartheid was codified and implemented by the National Party (which retained power until the end of apartheid), a system which did not officially end until 1998 after internal pressure from blacks, coloreds and a fair number of moderate whites coupled with foreign demand. Since then, the government has been run by the Progress and Unity Party (PrUPa) made up of moderate whites, coloreds and blacks that seek to rectify the decades of racial injustice and divisions and bring the nation together and forward.


Racial Demographics:
- 39% White
- 20% Colored
-41% Black

The people of SEA have a longstanding militia tradition and the right to bear arms is a dearly held tenant not dissimilar from the status of the Second Amendment in the United States stemming from its Boer descendants and its war for independence. Until 1998, the right to bear arms extended only to whites and so while gun ownership is extremely widespread, there is a disproportionate level of ownership by whites, in particular rural farmers.

The government of SEA has long been anti-communist and (before 1998) first and foremost concerned with enforcing apartheid and the racial system. The majority coalition led by PrUPa has been completely overwhelmed with trying to bring a country marked by racial divisions and particularly brutal racial polices and history together, but doing so with a liberal and moderate stance and maintaining the remnants of anti-communism. Naturally, this moderation is seen by some as inadequate, with this dissent coming in two major camps.

The first are those who believe that the moderate liberalism is unacceptable in attempting to rectify the massive disparity between the whites, coloreds, and blacks of the nation, and that a more radical solution is needed to bring about economic equality and prosperity in order to move the country forward. This camp is further subdivided between so called "Union Communists" who are made up of all races (though are still generally largely black) and seek to implement a communist form of government, largely through the democratic process, in order to facilitate more rapid and adequate rectification of the apartheid era. The main polity that espouses these ideals is the United Communist Party of Parliament, however in recent years there appears to be more militant arms beginning to appear as well, however the UCP has officially denounced them and disavows any association.

The second subccamp however, are so called "Secession Communists". These radical extremists are also black nationalist in nature, and are not a singular and united front. Some groups seek to facilitate an independent black state from the SEA government through force of arms and terrorist actions against whites and moderate coloreds, and particularly against white landowners in rural areas. Other groups seek to facilitate a joining with the small nation of Mozambique to the north, either the whole country or just the black population. The primary group that espouses such ideals is the Shona People's Revolutionary Front (SPRF), with which the government has been engaged in an anti-insurgency campaign since 1962.

The other camp are White nationalists who range from those seeking a return to Apartheid area rule, ending PrUPa's policy of rectification and racial unity, and those who seek to create a separate white ethnostate. In Parliament, these ideas are generally represented by the Kring vir Broederskap en Trots (Circle of Brotherhood and Pride, KvBeT), a far-right nationalist party. Outside of parliament, there are several rural "Kommandos" that have been formed expressly supporting white nationalism while also "defending the white race" against groups such as the SPRF that patrol the bush. These groups have caused many issues for both the Army and apolitical Kommandos formed of all races that only seek to defend themselves in more conflict ridden areas without supporting the racialist cause.


So with all of this information laid out (I apologize if it is far too wordy...) I will lay out a basic scenario that I have laid out:

The issues among the two main parties and the government (supported by the majority) have come to a head not seen since the days of the South African and Rhodesian Bush wars. While low-level conflict has existed in virtual perpetuity in some areas of the nation between the SPRF and other groups and the government, the situation is on the brink of erupting into a full scale internal conflict. Dissatisfaction with the liberal ideology of the government among the black population has lead to an increase in SPRF numbers and activity, and many other groups are beginning to be formed along similar lines. Attacks on white-owned farmsteads and remote white majority villages have been dramatically increasing, a situation which has been inflamed by the rhetoric of the KvBeT in parliament and the racialist paramilitary groups that have adopted an aggressive stance, with indiscriminate attacks on non-SPRF affiliated blacks and coloreds becoming a major problem. In addition, with the military being spread thinner by the day to cope with the increase in SPRF related activity, more and more Kommandos have been formed among the rural population of all races. While these apolitical kommandos fully support the government, the increase in armed groups has done little to aid in the building crisis. In addition to the long standing SPRF related groups, there appears to be more militant factions of communism that seek to bring about radical change in the existing government rather than a division along racial lines or joining with Mozambique. The situation in the South East African Bush is on the verge of spiraling out of control, as the government and military desperately try to keep the lid on the situation in what is continually appearing to be a losing battle.

As with all major internal conflicts, it has begun to attract international attention, which is where anyone with interest will come in to choose who to support, be it the White Nationalists, the Government, or the Communist groups (Be it the Secessionists or the Unionist Communists). Existing nation support, such as Zimbabwe and Mozambique is firmly in support of the Secessionists with Mozambique especially supporting those who seek to unite SEA with their nation.
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Postby Atlantian Dominions » Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:15 am

I’d like to register interest in participating: my nation is ideologically aligned with the white nationalist movements, but I’d like to be involved as providing military aid to the government in ways that also benefit the forces working to reimpose apartheid. For example, deputizing and supplying white nationalist Kommandos to assist in counter-insurgency efforts and making political statements that undermine the government and are favorable to the Circle of Brotherhood.
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Postby Suidoos-Afrika » Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:33 am

Atlantian Dominions wrote:I’d like to register interest in participating: my nation is ideologically aligned with the white nationalist movements, but I’d like to be involved as providing military aid to the government in ways that also benefit the forces working to reimpose apartheid. For example, deputizing and supplying white nationalist Kommandos to assist in counter-insurgency efforts and making political statements that undermine the government and are favorable to the Circle of Brotherhood.

Okay, great!

So something along the lines of clandestinely supplying the insurgents that align with your ideologies while officially only endorsing the official far-right party?

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Postby Grand Empire of Luxembourg » Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:41 am

I'd like to join, providing Financial Assistance

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Postby Suidoos-Afrika » Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:51 am

Grand Empire of Luxembourg wrote:I'd like to join, providing Financial Assistance

To which party?

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Postby Atlantian Dominions » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:15 am

Suidoos-Afrika wrote:Okay, great!

So something along the lines of clandestinely supplying the insurgents that align with your ideologies while officially only endorsing the official far-right party?

Yes. If you're okay with the idea that I've sent troops to help your government fight the SPRF, those troops would both clandestinely supply the white nationalist insurgents and also tailor their strategies to benefit them, such as only attacking black nationalist or communist groups. The forces would in theory be there to support the government, but the prevailing attitude among the military and political leadership would be that the current government is too soft and compromising to win and so there would be vocal support for the far-right party and criticism of the failings of the current administration.
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Postby Khataiy » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:32 am

I would join, seeing which side to support is difficult but upon decisions we'd provide intelligence and possibly open our country to the faction.

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Postby Suidoos-Afrika » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:50 am

Atlantian Dominions wrote:
Suidoos-Afrika wrote:Okay, great!

So something along the lines of clandestinely supplying the insurgents that align with your ideologies while officially only endorsing the official far-right party?

Yes. If you're okay with the idea that I've sent troops to help your government fight the SPRF, those troops would both clandestinely supply the white nationalist insurgents and also tailor their strategies to benefit them, such as only attacking black nationalist or communist groups. The forces would in theory be there to support the government, but the prevailing attitude among the military and political leadership would be that the current government is too soft and compromising to win and so there would be vocal support for the far-right party and criticism of the failings of the current administration.

Hm, working alongside a military force in their own country would make it pretty difficult to try and sneak off and help one of the enemies they are fighting...what if you sent special forces undercover in plainclothes or nondescript uniforms in addition to regular forces to serve with the white nationalist commandos at the same time?

Khataiy wrote:I would join, seeing which side to support is difficult but upon decisions we'd provide intelligence and possibly open our country to the faction.

I tried to make the sides a little less black and white than what is normally seen so I am glad that it has had that affect lol.

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Postby Ostterreich » Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:24 pm

This is of great interest to my nation we stand with yours.

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Postby McNernia » Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:31 pm

Mcnernia is interested. Would probably be investing heavily in this whole thing.
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Postby Suidoos-Afrika » Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:47 pm

Great to see more people showing interest! I think I will begin writing up the IC thread tomorrow, as I will be away from a computer for most of the rest of today.

If there are any questions however I should be able to get to those on my phone.

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Postby EastKekistan » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:47 pm

What era is the RP set in? There is almost no major far-rightist movements in East Kekistan (then East Asian Alliance) until 2050s.

Moreover where exactly is SEA? Northern Mozambique? Southern Mozambique? What is its capital?
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Postby Suidoos-Afrika » Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:22 pm

EastKekistan wrote:What era is the RP set in? There is almost no major far-rightist movements in East Kekistan (then East Asian Alliance) until 2050s.

Moreover where exactly is SEA? Northern Mozambique? Southern Mozambique? What is its capital?

This would be pretty strictly MT, and specifically the IRL year of 2019.

And it is most of Southern Mozambique and small parts of rl SA and Zimbabwe. These additions into RL countries aside from Mozambique were just little expansions I made to avoid having an oddly shaped nation, but have been a part of SEA since the very beggining in my history, it is not like they weree taken by force from these nations. I have a rudimentary Wiki style map here. The capital is Oosthuizenfontein, located in the southern parts but not on the coast but unfortunately I have not yet made a more detailed map regarding cities and such yet.

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Postby EastKekistan » Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:24 pm

Suidoos-Afrika wrote:
EastKekistan wrote:What era is the RP set in? There is almost no major far-rightist movements in East Kekistan (then East Asian Alliance) until 2050s.

Moreover where exactly is SEA? Northern Mozambique? Southern Mozambique? What is its capital?

This would be pretty strictly MT, and specifically the IRL year of 2019.

And it is most of Southern Mozambique and small parts of rl SA and Zimbabwe. These additions into RL countries aside from Mozambique were just little expansions I made to avoid having an oddly shaped nation, but have been a part of SEA since the very beggining in my history, it is not like they weree taken by force from these nations. I have a rudimentary Wiki style map here. The capital is Oosthuizenfontein, located in the southern parts but not on the coast but unfortunately I have not yet made a more detailed map regarding cities and such yet.

Thanks so there wasn't even an EAA yet. We won't play. All NE Asian nations were pretty much militarily non-interventionist.
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Postby Atkemri » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:04 pm

I am highly interested in this RP. I'll join and support the government side.
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I will keep an eye on this, for Rhodesians never die.
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Postby Pere Housh Alpha » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:30 pm

I like to join this on the government side with advisors at first.
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Postby Atlantian Dominions » Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:02 pm

Suidoos-Afrika wrote:Hm, working alongside a military force in their own country would make it pretty difficult to try and sneak off and help one of the enemies they are fighting...what if you sent special forces undercover in plainclothes or nondescript uniforms in addition to regular forces to serve with the white nationalist commandos at the same time?

That makes sense. It would also allow those commandos to know in advance of what the government was planning, allowing them to avoid government scrutiny or punishment for their actions.
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Postby Suidoos-Afrika » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:30 pm

Hey guys, sorry but there may be a slight delay on me getting the IC thread up, I had to work very late last night and then had to drive several hours early today for a mild family emergency. It is not anything too serious, but the thread most likely now will not be posted until tomorrow, I apologize.

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Postby Ostterreich » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:40 pm

Suidoos-Afrika wrote:Hey guys, sorry but there may be a slight delay on me getting the IC thread up, I had to work very late last night and then had to drive several hours early today for a mild family emergency. It is not anything too serious, but the thread most likely now will not be posted until tomorrow, I apologize.

Understandable hope all is well.

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Postby Suidoos-Afrika » Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:04 am

IC is up! I know I didn't really touch much on the United Communist Party or the far-right white nationalist response but I felt that the post was getting a bit too long, and so I will make subsequent individual posts about their responses to the incident sometime today or tomorrow.

Also this is my first time being the runner of an RP so any tips and suggestions would be wonderful and eagerly welcomed as the thread goes on!

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Postby Suidoos-Afrika » Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:14 am

I also am open to the possibility of other people playing as the SPRF or something in order to make it more dynamic and to where I do not control every party. IF you have interest in doing such a thing, send me a TG and we can discuss it further. This could also extend to the white nationalist elements as well.
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Postby Atlantian Dominions » Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:39 pm

Would it be possible for there to be Atlantian troops already in the country? My idea was that maybe the apartheid government agreed to allow Atlantian troops in to help combat the insurgency, and the post-apartheid government dislikes the arrangement but either needs the revenue that’s provided by base leases and contracts with the Atlantians or they don’t have the political capital to force an end to the agreement. And now that the bush war is intensifying again they need the Atlantians to help combat the SPRF.

The presence at the start would be small, maybe between a few hundred and a thousand troops, and then depending on developments in the IC thread and what you’re envisioning for the scale of the RP it could be increased.
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