"My Body, My Choice!": Should it Extend to Suicide?

[Various Militias]

Suicide is only acceptable in vary limited circumstances. Mainly when it prevents unnecessary suffering, such as someone that wont live very long after an accident, even with life support. Mental Health services could use refining, but it ultimately comes down to an individual being willing to share about what is going on before other can begin to help effectively. Encouraging males to properly express emotion would be healthy for both them and society as a hole, quite possibly dropping the high numbers of male suicides.

[Elwher]

Presuming that Jeffery Epstein was an actual suicide, was it justifiable? He felt that life in prison was not worth living, so he decided to check out. While it denied his accusers their day in court, it also save him a great deal of mental anguish as well as possible physical suffering.

If not justifiable, why not?

[Northwestern Elizabeth]

While the importance and sanctity of life should never be forgotten, what an individual wants to do with their life, even if it means ending it, is ultimately their business. There's ultimately no choice more private than the decision to continue to live or not.

[Neanderthaland]

Presuming that Jeffery Epstein was an actual suicide, was it justifiable? He felt that life in prison was not worth living, so he decided to check out. While it denied his accusers their day in court, it also save him a great deal of mental anguish as well as possible physical suffering.

If not justifiable, why not?

There's a long-standing assumption that criminals, those in military service, and those who are incapable of acting on their own behalf (either because of age or mental infirmity), are not entitled to full bodily sovereignty.

While Epstein was not a convicted criminal, the presumption of innocence probably shouldn't shield the accused in this instance.

[Grand Proudhonia]

It should absolutely extend to suicide... I mean the idea of making suicide a criminal act is beyond stupid

[Elwher]

Presuming that Jeffery Epstein was an actual suicide, was it justifiable? He felt that life in prison was not worth living, so he decided to check out. While it denied his accusers their day in court, it also save him a great deal of mental anguish as well as possible physical suffering.

If not justifiable, why not?

There's a long-standing assumption that criminals, those in military service, and those who are incapable of acting on their own behalf (either because of age or mental infirmity), are not entitled to full bodily sovereignty.

While Epstein was not a convicted criminal, the presumption of innocence probably shouldn't shield the accused in this instance.

Why not? As he had not gone to trial, he was therefore innocent in the eyes of the law.

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There's a long-standing assumption that criminals, those in military service, and those who are incapable of acting on their own behalf (either because of age or mental infirmity), are not entitled to full bodily sovereignty.

While Epstein was not a convicted criminal, the presumption of innocence probably shouldn't shield the accused in this instance.

Why not? As he had not gone to trial, he was therefore innocent in the eyes of the law.

Epstein was already a convicted sexual predator. He was awaiting trial on federal charges, but years earlier in Florida he plead guilty to soliciting prostitution of a minor and received a very light sentence.

And regardless, there is an enormous mountain of evidence. Epstein might have had the legal right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty on the federal charges, but it would be ridiculous to indulge the idea that he might be innocent. We are not the judge or jurors, we can use our brains to reach conclusions.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Absolutely - if you're suffering to an extent that you feel unable to bear and you cannot see any feasible escape from it, then it's a viable choice.

Live as long as you should, not as long as you can.

[Cekoviu]

Absolutely - if you're suffering to an extent that you feel unable to bear and you cannot see any feasible escape from it, then it's a viable choice.

Live as long as you should, not as long as you can.

Huh, this is not what I expected your opinion to be.

[North German Realm]

The actual question should be, what does it extend to, if even suicide is not within its extent?

[The South Falls]

The actual question should be, what does it extend to, if even suicide is not within its extent?

That's a whole can of worms I'd prefer to remain closed.

[Neanderthaland]

There's a long-standing assumption that criminals, those in military service, and those who are incapable of acting on their own behalf (either because of age or mental infirmity), are not entitled to full bodily sovereignty.

While Epstein was not a convicted criminal, the presumption of innocence probably shouldn't shield the accused in this instance.

Why not? As he had not gone to trial, he was therefore innocent in the eyes of the law.

Others have pointed out that he was convicted of other things previously, so that eliminates this line of questioning neatly.

However, I take your point. We'll imagine a hypothetical suspect who has no prior convictions. I still think this right should be suspended (not eliminated) until the trial is concluded. In much the same way that your rights to free movement can be suspended during arrest, and for the same reason.

[Plzen]

If the number of convicted or about-to-be-convicted criminals choosing death over taking whatever punishment your country's justice system has in store for them is so high that there needs to be an effort made to stop them, I think your country needs to seriously consider whether its sentences fall under cruel, inhuman, or degrading punishment in the UDHR Article 5 sense of that term.

Death should always be an option, regardless of who you are, what you did, and what you are accused or convicted of by the justice system.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

If the number of convicted or about-to-be-convicted criminals choosing death over taking whatever punishment your country's justice system has in store for them is so high that there needs to be an effort made to stop them, I think your country needs to seriously consider whether its sentences fall under cruel, inhuman, or degrading punishment in the UDHR Article 5 sense of that term.

Death should always be an option, regardless of who you are, what you did, and what you are accused or convicted of by the justice system.

You know, that's... not a bad point, actually.

[Neanderthaland]

If the number of convicted or about-to-be-convicted criminals choosing death over taking whatever punishment your country's justice system has in store for them is so high that there needs to be an effort made to stop them, I think your country needs to seriously consider whether its sentences fall under cruel, inhuman, or degrading punishment in the UDHR Article 5 sense of that term.

Death should always be an option, regardless of who you are, what you did, and what you are accused or convicted of by the justice system.

I should clarify that I have no objection to a voluntary death after the trial is concluded. But allowing the accused to kill themselves pre-trial subverts justice in the same way allowing them to flee the country would. In the case of Epstein, for instance, his death has complicated proceedings against his co-conspirators.

[Ginicun]

Presuming that Jeffery Epstein was an actual suicide, was it justifiable? He felt that life in prison was not worth living, so he decided to check out. While it denied his accusers their day in court, it also save him a great deal of mental anguish as well as possible physical suffering.

If not justifiable, why not?

Epstein didn't kill himself.

[Farnhamia]

Presuming that Jeffery Epstein was an actual suicide, was it justifiable? He felt that life in prison was not worth living, so he decided to check out. While it denied his accusers their day in court, it also save him a great deal of mental anguish as well as possible physical suffering.

If not justifiable, why not?

Epstein didn't kill himself.

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