[r] trolling/baiting in biphobia thread

[Necroghastia]

Its good that some homosexuals are not buying into the nonsense that is transgenderism... Shows that some in the homosexual community do not follow the blind lead of neo liberal politicians... Sex change is not a cure, its mutilation

This is about bisexuals, not trans.

This illustrates a problem, though. Bisexuals often get shoved out of the conversation and ignored in favor of other parts of LGBT (god, I hate that stupid acronym).

Op did mention transexuals and went on to talk about bi people... But I do agree with your point that the acronym is rather idiotic as it should end after LGB... Everything beyond it is the fetishization of mental illness

[NERVUN]

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[Sapientia Et Bellum]

Definitely not trolling or baiting, I was just giving my honest to god opinion on the topic but oh well... sorry I guess?

[NERVUN]

Definitely not trolling or baiting, I was just giving my honest to god opinion on the topic but oh well... sorry I guess?

As it has been noted, honest belief is not an defense.

[Necroghastia]

This may be a bit off-topic in terms of OP's subject, but i felt that this needed to be made clear.


It is impossible to be bisexual.

I liken it to a mental illness as with transgenders; if you are a man, and you like men, you are gay. If you also like women, but are currently dating men, that still makes you gay.

You cannot be 'biphobic' if the very concept of being 'bisexual' is a contradiction in and of itself.

As with transgenders (a bit off-topic sry) - I find it a highly misused term. According to Google's definition, a transgender person is denoted as someone, "whose sense of... ...identity and gender does not correspond with their birth sex.."

To sum it up, you can be a man who likes girly things, dresses like a girl, 'talks' like a girl, but that does not mean that makes said person a girl. If your last pair of chromosomes are XY, then that means you are still a man. Asking people to refer to you as something that you are clearly not is akin to a mental illness;

Say if I were walking around claiming I was the second coming of Christ. People would, right away, ostracize me, laugh at me and dismiss me as loony. But when a man walks around calling himself a woman - asking others to refer to him as such - people encourage that type of behaviour?

But i digress.

Listen, I do not care what you do with your life, and i certainly do not care whether you like men or women. But if you have the need to go out of your way, and assert to me what gender you prefer me to call you, count me out.

If the entire crux of your personality revolves around the self gratification you receive when someone calls you something you are clearly not, you are a shallow human being.

Just be yourself, and don't bother anyone.

'Nother one, bolding mine

[Cekoviu]

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Straight-up spam.

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

Definitely not trolling or baiting, I was just giving my honest to god opinion on the topic but oh well... sorry I guess?

As it has been noted, honest belief is not an defense.

So voicing an unpopular/controversial opinion on here is the same as attempting to bait or troll people... Good to know that debate is dead, thanks

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

I made a post clarifying that I didnt mean any malice in my opinion, if you still see it as trolling then so be it... I will try to refrain from using the term to describe gender dysphoria

[Scomagia]

Could we get a reminder that the thread is about Bisexuals and not trans?

[NERVUN]

As it has been noted, honest belief is not an defense.

So voicing an unpopular/controversial opinion on here is the same as attempting to bait or troll people... Good to know that debate is dead, thanks

Look, I will make this very clear to you, it is not what you say, but HOW you say it. I don't care if you agree with transsexuals or not, I don't care if you state that trans people shouldn't have accommodations in society or gender reassignment, or whatever. Those opinions are not against the rules. Stating that it is a mental illness IS. It has been removed from the DSM and is unacceptable on this site whether you really believe it is or not.

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[Necroghastia]

You don't, and no one is saying you owe it to trans people to be attracted to them. But you were claiming you were experiencing biphobia for expressing transphobic viewpoints, and that is false. You were the one coming in here acting like you were being discriminated against for holding blatantly transphobic beliefs.

No, I've experienced biphobia from people like you who immediately try to make it about trans people instead of the fact I don't find the trans condition or modified genitals attractive. And again, you can call me names but I'm all for trans people getting better and figuring out who they are, but I'm very against bodily mutilation and them acting like I'm a big meanie poo poo head for not finding that attractive.

I've literally said nothing but "I'm bi so I like cis men and cis women" and had some trans person on twitter skreee at me for it. It reeks of both insecurity and mental illness to be this overly defensive when a bisexual person excludes them, even though bisexual means being attracted to both genders, typically as they were born, not as they've become.

Does this count as "autistic screeching"?

[Lanoraie II]

No, I've experienced biphobia from people like you who immediately try to make it about trans people instead of the fact I don't find the trans condition or modified genitals attractive. And again, you can call me names but I'm all for trans people getting better and figuring out who they are, but I'm very against bodily mutilation and them acting like I'm a big meanie poo poo head for not finding that attractive.

I've literally said nothing but "I'm bi so I like cis men and cis women" and had some trans person on twitter skreee at me for it. It reeks of both insecurity and mental illness to be this overly defensive when a bisexual person excludes them, even though bisexual means being attracted to both genders, typically as they were born, not as they've become.

Does this count as "autistic screeching"?

No because they literally reee'd at me. Like, their post was something like this, trying to mock me: "Skreeee why won't those tr*nnies find me hot????"

Like they actually said skreee in their reply.

Also speaking metaphorically or literally, getting banned/warned for saying "Skree"/"reeeeee" is actually fucking stupid. If anything calling it autistic screeching is more offensive as a person with autism.

[The New California Republic]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=35989085#p35989085

Agreeing with a post already deemed to be trolling:

*** Warned for trolling ***.

Game mod, being trans is an actual mental illness. It's classified as a mental illness pretty much everywhere and was taken off the DSM solely because of backlash, with very little studies to back up the claims that it isn't a mental illness.

[Lanoraie II]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=35989085#p35989085

Agreeing with a post already deemed to be trolling:

Game mod, being trans is an actual mental illness. It's classified as a mental illness pretty much everywhere and was taken off the DSM solely because of backlash, with very little studies to back up the claims that it isn't a mental illness.

Disagreeing with a mod's actions and pointing out inconsistencies is ban worthy according to you?

[The New California Republic]

Agreeing with a post already deemed to be trolling:

Disagreeing with a mod's actions and pointing out inconsistencies is ban worthy according to you?

Agreeing with troll posts has been actionable in the past, hence why I'm posting it here.

[Lanoraie II]

Disagreeing with a mod's actions and pointing out inconsistencies is ban worthy according to you?

Agreeing with troll posts has been actionable in the past, hence why I'm posting it here.

It's not agreeing LMFAO jesus christ, it's pointing out that it's still considered a mental illness and the mod was wrong to warn them. This entire website needs a revamp of moderation because if saying "hey, you're actually wrong about this" gets me warned/banned, that says a lot about the current state of NS moderation.

[The New California Republic]

Agreeing with troll posts has been actionable in the past, hence why I'm posting it here.

It's not agreeing LMFAO jesus christ, it's pointing out that it's still considered a mental illness and the mod was wrong to warn them. This entire website needs a revamp of moderation because if saying "hey, you're actually wrong about this" gets me warned/banned, that says a lot about the current state of NS moderation.

Let the mods deal with it, let's not turn this into a debate.

[Lanoraie II]

It's not agreeing LMFAO jesus christ, it's pointing out that it's still considered a mental illness and the mod was wrong to warn them. This entire website needs a revamp of moderation because if saying "hey, you're actually wrong about this" gets me warned/banned, that says a lot about the current state of NS moderation.

Let the mods deal with it, let's not turn this into a debate.

Sure, but I hope the mods understand where I'm coming from and don't just try to shut me up because "muh past posts from 2014" like that one mod did. I'm not here to start shit but I'm not afraid to call out bad moderation and mods clearly letting their own personal feelings dictate who they punish and why.

[Necroghastia]

Does this count as "autistic screeching"?

No because they literally reee'd at me. Like, their post was something like this, trying to mock me: "Skreeee why won't those tr*nnies find me hot????"

Like they actually said skreee in their reply.

Also speaking metaphorically or literally, getting banned/warned for saying "Skree"/"reeeeee" is actually fucking stupid. If anything calling it autistic screeching is more offensive as a person with autism.

Considering the whole point is making fun of autistic people? Yeah, I'm fucking glad this site does that.

[Frisbeeteria]

I'm not afraid to call out bad moderation and mods clearly letting their own personal feelings dictate who they punish and why.

That decision was discussed with the team. It's a site decision, not one mod's personal policy.

I'm not going to warn anyone over this, but I AM going to lock this thread. This is not the place for this sort of debate.