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Would you choose pain or stupidity?

Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:21 pm

For the past 2 years I've basically had a choice to make every day. Do I suffer debilitating pain or take enough opiates that my mental functions were far degraded? I imagine there are lots of people out there in my condition. I've recently had a procedure that means I no longer need to make that choice but the effect will last only a maximum of 6 months, probably for less. I can have the procedure every 6 months if I want it, and I really will.

In general I chose the pain over being dumber. What do you think you would do and why?

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Postby Blakullar » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:32 pm

This is probably the "me having never experienced this kind of situation in real life" doing the talking, but I'd take the pain on the basis that you'd eventually get desensitised to it. Being dumbed down, however, is basically my idea of hell.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:38 pm

Endure the pain, all you need is enough willpower. It'd be weaker to give up and choose addiction. Besides, pain is only temporary. I'm sure there are moments where you aren't hurting.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:07 pm

Saiwania wrote:Endure the pain, all you need is enough willpower. It'd be weaker to give up and choose addiction. Besides, pain is only temporary. I'm sure there are moments where you aren't hurting.


There were. When I was asleep comes to mind.

And I used to think along those lines as well. It isn't true. Short term it's easy to tough it out. Over months or years it just wears you down like you wouldn't believe.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:11 pm

I have absolutely no idea what I would do in that situation, but I hope that I would choose pain over mental stunting.
Blakullar wrote:This is probably the "me having never experienced this kind of situation in real life" doing the talking, but I'd take the pain on the basis that you'd eventually get desensitised to it. Being dumbed down, however, is basically my idea of hell.


Yeah, this sums it up.
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Postby Chan Island » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:14 pm

Considering I already live with pain (bad injury from 10 or so years ago), I think I can easily say a little bit more in exchange for keeping my faculties would be well worth it. Also seen the state of people without their faculties.... it's something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
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I live with pain every day, so I already go through this

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:20 pm

What if stupidity is the ultimate pain to someone?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:21 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:What if stupidity is the ultimate pain to someone?


That's the question. What do you pick?

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:22 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:What if stupidity is the ultimate pain to someone?


That's the question. What do you pick?

Pain, definitely the pain.
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Postby Chan Island » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:26 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:What if stupidity is the ultimate pain to someone?


That's the question. What do you pick?


At the end of the day, that's up to you to decide. I imagine the pain you receive is in some way comparable to my unhealed injury, but honestly they are probably not comparable. And honestly, if I was given the choice of some bizarro medicine that made it go away at the expense of the mind for a day, I can't say I'd always leave it lying there, so can't blame your choice either way.

Most of the people here won't have anywhere near your experience and won't understand.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:28 pm

Chan Island wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
That's the question. What do you pick?


At the end of the day, that's up to you to decide. I imagine the pain you receive is in some way comparable to my unhealed injury, but honestly they are probably not comparable. And honestly, if I was given the choice of some bizarro medicine that made it go away at the expense of the mind for a day, I can't say I'd always leave it lying there, so can't blame your choice either way.

Most of the people here won't have anywhere near your experience and won't understand.


It's a thought experiment for them.

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:29 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
At the end of the day, that's up to you to decide. I imagine the pain you receive is in some way comparable to my unhealed injury, but honestly they are probably not comparable. And honestly, if I was given the choice of some bizarro medicine that made it go away at the expense of the mind for a day, I can't say I'd always leave it lying there, so can't blame your choice either way.

Most of the people here won't have anywhere near your experience and won't understand.


It's a thought experiment for them.

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Postby Valeya » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:31 pm

It depends on how seriously my mental functions would be degraded, and if they would be altered permanently, but I think I would probably choose pain.

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Postby Pacomia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:31 pm

This is a horrifying choice. I’m already pretty dumb as is, but pain is terrible. I’d rather be stupid than in pain, I guess, but that’s a really hard choice.
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Postby Chan Island » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:31 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
It's a thought experiment for them.

You're not IM


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Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:35 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
It's a thought experiment for them.

You're not IM


This isn't a random hypothetical. It's a decision that real people make every day. If you are not one of them then it's a thought experiment.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:01 pm

I dont know your particular issue, I had back problems that I had to take vicodin every day for about 3 years. I had to take a lot to really make the pain stop, I only took enough to make the pain managable.

That said end of the day I dont want to hurt all the time, if the condition required it. I would take enough to be out of pain no matter how drugged it made me
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:09 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:I dont know your particular issue, I had back problems that I had to take vicodin every day for about 3 years. I had to take a lot to really make the pain stop, I only took enough to make the pain managable.

That said end of the day I dont want to hurt all the time, if the condition required it. I would take enough to be out of pain no matter how drugged it made me


Imagine a pain with every step you took, And if you walked, say, a mile, you had to spend the next day in bed to be able to do a new day.

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:13 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:For the past 2 years I've basically had a choice to make every day. Do I suffer debilitating pain or take enough opiates that my mental functions were far degraded? I imagine there are lots of people out there in my condition. I've recently had a procedure that means I no longer need to make that choice but the effect will last only a maximum of 6 months, probably for less. I can have the procedure every 6 months if I want it, and I really will.

In general I chose the pain over being dumber. What do you think you would do and why?

I'd probably try to find a dose whereby the pain is just about manageable, but that doesn't affect my ability to think too much.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:19 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I dont know your particular issue, I had back problems that I had to take vicodin every day for about 3 years. I had to take a lot to really make the pain stop, I only took enough to make the pain managable.

That said end of the day I dont want to hurt all the time, if the condition required it. I would take enough to be out of pain no matter how drugged it made me


Imagine a pain with every step you took, And if you walked, say, a mile, you had to spend the next day in bed to be able to do a new day.


We are good, sorry to say. For me it was the bus ride. It just hit right on the disk that had to go. My wife had to push the lawn mower for 3 years
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:24 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:What if stupidity is the ultimate pain to someone?

If you're too stupid to realize you are, not really pain is it?
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:30 pm

Death.

I'd rather not suffer physical pain or the pain of drugs making me literally retarded; to me, that isn't a choice. Just pull the plug on me. I got some stuff to repent for anyway, I'm sure Pete's waiting.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:53 pm

Pain. Certain types are manageable.

Learned this when I was training in TKD.

I also suffer from Migraines. I also learned a little drugging lessons the pain when I sense the signs of a Migraine is coming.....
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:59 pm

I’d like to say I’d just suffer it out but I’d probably opt for the meds. Then again I have a bunch of aches and pains that I just ignore though some days they make walking hard.

So to be honest I really don’t know. As it stands now I’d just bear with it but if it got worse I’d probably opt for surgery and meds
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