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What if America banned guns?

Postby Abaja » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:26 pm

I'm not sure if this was asked before but just in case it wasn't:

I was wondering what anti-gunners really wanted to accomplish by banning guns in the United States. Do they want to impose gun control laws on all guns or just certain types like assault weapons? If we ban those guns, how is it necessarily going to stop mass shootings from happening? To me, a person who is willing to kill is going to go out of his/her way to illegally purchase guns and commit the crime. What this is doing is taking away guns from people who actually follow the rules.

Prohibition didn't work out. All it did was increase crime and smuggling of alcohol. What makes them think banning guns will stop criminals from killing other people?

I'd love to hear explanations on this.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:28 pm

People get them illegal.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:30 pm

Venezuela tried that.


It didn't work
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:32 pm

Judging by the OP, this is a strawman. So, let's assume all guns period are illegal. From Civilians to Generals and from 18th-century muskets to .50 cal machine guns.

We'd be fucked, just absolutely fucked. America has way too many guns for any kind of serious gun control like that to work.
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Postby Inkopolitia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:33 pm

Think the prohibition, but with guns instead of alcohol.
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Postby Tulov » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:34 pm

Either another Civil War, probably the bloodiest war in all of history,

Or the rise of the most brutal dictator in all of history. Maybe both.

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Postby Vrama » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:35 pm

Many sheriffs and law enforcement would refuse to enforce it. Many state governments would refuse to comply.

Basically, civil war.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:39 pm

As in tomorrow? Civil war.

There is no way in hell the US could ever ban guns as there’s at the bare minimum 600 million guns in the USA already
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:40 pm

It wouldn't be the end of the world and you would get used to it.

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Postby Abaja » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:41 pm

Thermodolia wrote:As in tomorrow? Civil war.

There is no way in hell the US could ever ban guns as there’s at the bare minimum 600 million guns in the USA already

^ This.
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Postby EastKekistan » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:42 pm

Abaja wrote:I'm not sure if this was asked before but just in case it wasn't:

I was wondering what anti-gunners really wanted to accomplish by banning guns in the United States. Do they want to impose gun control laws on all guns or just certain types like assault weapons? If we ban those guns, how is it necessarily going to stop mass shootings from happening? To me, a person who is willing to kill is going to go out of his/her way to illegally purchase guns and commit the crime. What this is doing is taking away guns from people who actually follow the rules.

Prohibition didn't work out. All it did was increase crime and smuggling of alcohol. What makes them think banning guns will stop criminals from killing other people?

I'd love to hear explanations on this.

Awful idea.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:45 pm

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Postby Arlenton » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:46 pm

Massive electoral backlash.

Not to mention massive resistance by most state governments and law enforcement.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:47 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:It wouldn't be the end of the world and you would get used to it.

There’s 600 million guns in the US according to conservative estimates. Other estimates put the number around 900 million.

That’s roughly 1.5 to almost 3 guns per person in the US. There is no way in hell that you could ban guns in the US. Not to mention that many Americans would literally die to keep their guns
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Postby EastKekistan » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:47 pm

Without guns white people will become as cucked as ordinary Chinese and non-Israeli Jews.

Believe me, you don't want to go down that route. It is hard (but still possible) for a disarmed culture (e.g. Jews) to be uncucked (e.g. establishing Israel) but it is extremely costly.
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Postby Solarist VZ » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:48 pm

1. Crime rate increases as criminals realize their victims cannot defend themselves anymore.
2. The US economy has a serious contraction, as the industries based around the gun-culture lose their money (and if there's something the Elite on Washington hates, it is losing cash)
3. What happends if the gun-owners say no?. There wasn't a situation on New Zealand when a gun-owner got killed by the police because he refused giving his gun?. Expect people geting their SKSs and going SHTF at best or Waco-esque disasters at worst.
4. The Feds, specially in this rising chaos, could never grab the guns of millions of citizens (the gun-owners can live in the countryside where police presence could be little, and in red states where possibly state governments could side with the Anti-gun grabbers).
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:48 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:It wouldn't be the end of the world and you would get used to it.

There’s 600 million guns in the US according to conservative estimates. Other estimates put the number around 900 million.

That’s roughly 1.5 to almost 3 guns per person in the US. There is no way in hell that you could ban guns in the US. Not to mention that many Americans would literally die to keep their guns

Even still, given the piss-poor returns in Australia and New Zealand, I don't think those 600 million are going anywhere anytime soon besides between the hands of private citizens and criminals.
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Postby East Ustya » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:49 pm

They tried it with Booz.

Just saying.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:49 pm

Solarist VZ wrote:1. Crime rate increases as criminals realize their victims cannot defend themselves anymore.
2. The US economy has a serious contraction, as the industries based around the gun-culture lose their money (and if there's something the Elite on Washington hates, it is losing cash)
3. What happends if the gun-owners say no?. There wasn't a situation on New Zealand when a gun-owner got killed by the police because giving his gun?. Expect people geting their SKSs and going SHTF at best or Waco-esque disasters at worst.
4. The Feds, specially in this rising chaos, could never grab the guns of millions of citizens (the gun-owners can live in the countryside where police presence could be little, and in red states where possibly state governments could side with the Anti-gun grabbers).


Do you have a source on the New Zealand thing? I hadn't heard it.

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Postby Page » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:51 pm

I seriously doubt there will be total gun prohibition in America within the lifetime of anyone reading this. At most, within a few decades there may come more restrictions on magazine capacity, longer waiting periods, and a universal system for background checks.

If we are going to entertain the fantastical notion of a gun ban happening in present day America, it's definitely going to be an unpleasant and violent hypothetical. There is more than one gun per person in America. If people were told to give up their firearms, tens of millions would refuse. If law enforcement tried to collect guns from the people who refused to surrender, I imagine more than 1000 law enforcement officers would be killed trying within a year. There would be domestic terrorist attacks, and while these attacks might be carried out by individuals or small groups, they would do significant damage. A total prohibition might even spark secessionist movements which may not ever win independence, but they wouldn't be a joke as they are in the real world. I also expect that several states would outright refuse to comply with federal law and that might even end up with governors and state congresses being removed by the feds which will spark even more violence and disorder.

It wouldn't be pretty.
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Postby Solarist VZ » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:52 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Do you have a source on the New Zealand thing? I hadn't heard it.

That's why i'm asking for that. Google is trying to hide the truth again i think and i only remember about this (i didn't read the article in detail though).
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Postby Arlenton » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:52 pm

Page wrote:I seriously doubt there will be total gun prohibition in America within the lifetime of anyone reading this. At most, within a few decades there may come more restrictions on magazine capacity, longer waiting periods, and a universal system for background checks.

If we are going to entertain the fantastical notion of a gun ban happening in present day America, it's definitely going to be an unpleasant and violent hypothetical. There is about one gun per person in America. If people were told to give up their firearms, tens of millions would refuse. If law enforcement tried to collect guns from the people who refused to surrender, I imagine more than 1000 law enforcement officers would be killed trying within a year. There would be domestic terrorist attacks, and while these attacks might be carried out by individuals or small groups, they would do significant damage. A total prohibition might even spark secessionist movements which may not ever win independence, but they wouldn't be a joke as they are in the real world. I also expect that several states would outright refuse to comply with federal law and that might even end up with governors and state congresses being removed by the feds which will spark even more violence and disorder.

It wouldn't be pretty.

I doubt even that thankfully, given Mitch McConnell packed/is packing the courts.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:55 pm

Page wrote:I seriously doubt there will be total gun prohibition in America within the lifetime of anyone reading this. At most, within a few decades there may come more restrictions on magazine capacity, longer waiting periods, and a universal system for background checks.

If we are going to entertain the fantastical notion of a gun ban happening in present day America, it's definitely going to be an unpleasant and violent hypothetical. There is more than one gun per person in America. If people were told to give up their firearms, tens of millions would refuse. If law enforcement tried to collect guns from the people who refused to surrender, I imagine more than 1000 law enforcement officers would be killed trying within a year. There would be domestic terrorist attacks, and while these attacks might be carried out by individuals or small groups, they would do significant damage. A total prohibition might even spark secessionist movements which may not ever win independence, but they wouldn't be a joke as they are in the real world. I also expect that several states would outright refuse to comply with federal law and that might even end up with governors and state congresses being removed by the feds which will spark even more violence and disorder.

It wouldn't be pretty.


Just ban the mass production, commercial sale, and importation of new firearms. And subsidise ammunition. Give it a couple of generations and the issue would pretty much sort itself out.

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