NATION

PASSWORD

'Manspreading chair' and men's boundaries

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

What's your take on manspreading?

It's necessary due to the physiological nature of men, and should be incentivized.
40
25%
I don't think it should be incentivized, but it's definitely okay to leg spread, even on crowded places.
78
48%
Manspreading is objectively bad and men should mind their own space when sitting around women.
16
10%
Apple pie
27
17%
 
Total votes : 161

User avatar
Great Minarchistan
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5953
Founded: Jan 08, 2017
Ex-Nation

'Manspreading chair' and men's boundaries

Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:42 pm

I... have no words for that. For those not wanting to read the whole thing (although it's fairly short), a British artist named Laila Laurel created gendered chairs with the purpose to stop manspreading as part of her final-year graduation project, and briefly after a design organization awarded her creation with the Belmond Award. This is how they look like...

Now, as even the proper artist denotes, I hope that's not to be taken seriously by anyone, although it does make me wonder about whether 'manspreading' can be even considered relevant -- and, if so, if any legal action (cf. NYPD) should be taken. My two cents on the matter are that men spreading their legs reasonably is not only natural as well as it should be encouraged: testicles tend to hang out of the body for the purpose of cooling as they work optimally below the natural body temperature, and squeezing their space (sitting tightly or crossing legs too often) not only is oftentimes a painful experience, as well as it can go to the extent of stunting the effectiveness of testosterone production, as well as decreased fertility and worse semen quality. Now, the unfortunate issue is that public transport is usually crowded, so even 'normal spreading' (say, occupying the space of 1.5 person) might seem exaggerated -- making men subject to criticism by women, even though their gonadal health depends on it.

What do you think though, NSG? Is manspreading unacceptable at any degree, is it okay for men to spread their legs or should it be further incentivized to guarantee higher hormonal and fertile performance?
Last edited by Great Minarchistan on Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Awarded for Best Capitalist in 2018 NSG Awards ;')
##############################
Fmr. libertarian, irredeemable bank shill and somewhere inbetween classical liberalism and neoliberalism // Political Compass: +8.75 Economic, -2.25 Social (May 2019)

User avatar
Scomagia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18703
Founded: Apr 14, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Scomagia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:49 pm

Screw this stupid chair. I prefer not sit on my balls or have them smothered by my thighs. The boys gotta have some room so yes, I will spread a little.

Jesus, the things people are concerned with these days.
Last edited by Scomagia on Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Insert trite farewell here

User avatar
Great Minarchistan
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5953
Founded: Jan 08, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:57 pm

Scomagia wrote:Screw this stupid chair. I prefer not sit on my balls or have them smothered by my thighs. The boys gotta have some room so yes, I will spread a little.

Jesus, the things people are concerned with these days.

And the major issue imo is that this is an actual necessity: men need to spread their legs in order to assure their testes are cooled off, ensuring healthy hormonal production and better sperm. The latter isn't something that you can just "shrug it off" either, as the sperm production cycle lasts nearly three months, and fucking up just for a while ends up stunting its quality for a long time.
Awarded for Best Capitalist in 2018 NSG Awards ;')
##############################
Fmr. libertarian, irredeemable bank shill and somewhere inbetween classical liberalism and neoliberalism // Political Compass: +8.75 Economic, -2.25 Social (May 2019)

User avatar
Scomagia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18703
Founded: Apr 14, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Scomagia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:59 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Screw this stupid chair. I prefer not sit on my balls or have them smothered by my thighs. The boys gotta have some room so yes, I will spread a little.

Jesus, the things people are concerned with these days.

And the major issue imo is that this is an actual necessity: men need to spread their legs in order to assure their testes are cooled off, ensuring healthy hormonal production and better sperm. The latter isn't something that you can just "shrug it off" either, as the sperm production cycle lasts nearly three months, and fucking up just for a while ends up stunting its quality for a long time.

I didn't know that it mattered quite that much. Welp, given that Mrs. Scomagia and I are trying for a baby, I'll definitely be mindful to keep spreading....
Insert trite farewell here

User avatar
Nanatsu no Tsuki
Post Overlord
 
Posts: 192868
Founded: Feb 10, 2008
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:00 pm

I’d go for a conservative approach. Yes, men need to spread their legs, testicles and all. Just don’t spread them to the point that you’d put a daddy longlegs to shame. :p
Code name: Ratatouille Strychnine
Also: THERNSY!!
Your story isn't over;֍Help save transgender people's lives֍Help for feral cats
Cat with internet access||Heartless, ''transgendered non-binary kawaii Chan'', & a d*ck.||No TGs
RIP: Dyakovo & Ashmoria

User avatar
Great Minarchistan
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5953
Founded: Jan 08, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:00 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:And the major issue imo is that this is an actual necessity: men need to spread their legs in order to assure their testes are cooled off, ensuring healthy hormonal production and better sperm. The latter isn't something that you can just "shrug it off" either, as the sperm production cycle lasts nearly three months, and fucking up just for a while ends up stunting its quality for a long time.

I didn't know that it mattered quite that much. Welp, given that Mrs. Scomagia and I are trying for a baby, I'll definitely be mindful to keep spreading....

The general rule is to avoid heated testes, so it's not healthy to take too hot showers and the like too
Awarded for Best Capitalist in 2018 NSG Awards ;')
##############################
Fmr. libertarian, irredeemable bank shill and somewhere inbetween classical liberalism and neoliberalism // Political Compass: +8.75 Economic, -2.25 Social (May 2019)

User avatar
Saciu
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 352
Founded: Sep 28, 2018
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Saciu » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:01 pm

So, basically... WTF
Men need to have room there. Simple as that.
C'est Saciu, The South Pacific's most influential trans person (according to when I last checked)
Political/social test results:
Political compass: 3.13, -5.49
https://www.idrlabs.com/feminism-5/52/88/20/35/21/result.php

Pronoun: She. Saying "she/her" is not required, since the pronoun "she" implies the pronoun "her". Why not say "she/her/hers" or "her/hers"?
Pro: Democracy, libertarianism, LGBT rights, philosophical discussion, regulated capitalism, Nordic Model of equality, Lib Dems, charity, inclusive transmedicalism, NB.
Neutral: Monarchism, Democrats, Labour, feminism, tolerant religion, tucutes.
Anti: Communism, TERFism, racism, fascism, Nazism, creationism, Islam's application in modern society, TERFs again because they're the worst.

User avatar
Chernoslavia
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9762
Founded: Jun 13, 2011
Corporate Bordello

Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:03 pm

.....

Yeah, I'm done with clown world for the night.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

User avatar
Catsfern
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 437
Founded: Mar 09, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Catsfern » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:03 pm

its like some people just don't understand basic male biology.
I use NS stats that applies to everyone no exceptions
CANNON INFO
WIP wiki here https://catsfern.fandom.com/wiki/Catsfern_WikiWIKI ALWAYS UPDATING!Most recent page: Economy
ASK ME ANYTHING HERE https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?ns=1&f=23&t=472606
Catsfernian Newspaper! (new edition every week / edition 31 out now)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15CywWf8K6aSGbr63zhtnrIHsl4Y3X-mLVO2xOiUemro/edit?usp=sharing
#JusticeForNSStats
100 COPIES OF MY OWN NATIONS CARD! https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/collection=240
Lore development https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=479785
Interacting With me? Read This. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1304258

User avatar
New haven america
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37482
Founded: Oct 08, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby New haven america » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:03 pm

Catsfern wrote:its like some people just don't understand basic male biology.

Because they don't.
Human of the male variety
Will accept TGs
Char/Axis 2020

That's all folks~

User avatar
Nakena
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11558
Founded: May 06, 2017
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Nakena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:04 pm

Thats not only completly absurd its also an attempt to restrain and atrophy masculinity. Whats concerning isn't that silly chair but rather the spirit behind this.

Unless this is some form of joke (and to be fair thats what i use to take always when something like that comes up) but I am afraid some people might be very serious about it.
Last edited by Nakena on Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Geneviev
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 14295
Founded: Mar 03, 2018
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Geneviev » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:06 pm

That's ridiculous. I don't think this is serious, though.
VOTE!!
I believe in: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.
Not queer.

User avatar
The Black Horns
Civil Servant
 
Posts: 8
Founded: Mar 16, 2019
Father Knows Best State

Postby The Black Horns » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:06 pm

This idea is dumb and this is just appealing to the progressive feminist ideology. We need the extra space because we don't like our junk scrunched up as it gets uncomfortable.
Main nation: Deimosan
Political spectrum: Center-left
Doesn't fare well with the following: Far right, far left "Progressivism", SJW types, BLM, Antifa

User avatar
Chernoslavia
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9762
Founded: Jun 13, 2011
Corporate Bordello

Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:08 pm

Geneviev wrote:That's ridiculous. I don't think this is serious, though.


I hope not.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

User avatar
Great Minarchistan
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5953
Founded: Jan 08, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:10 pm

Nakena wrote:Thats not only completly absurd its also an attempt to restrain and atrophy masculinity. Whats concerning isn't that silly chair but rather the spirit behind this.

Unless this is some form of joke (and to be fair thats what i use to take always when something like that comes up) but I am afraid some people might be very serious about it.

Madrid has already banned it on public transport, and the NYPD has already come to the extent of arresting men that were practicing manspreading on the subway. It's sadly getting that bad, yes.
Awarded for Best Capitalist in 2018 NSG Awards ;')
##############################
Fmr. libertarian, irredeemable bank shill and somewhere inbetween classical liberalism and neoliberalism // Political Compass: +8.75 Economic, -2.25 Social (May 2019)

User avatar
Dumb Ideologies
Post Czar
 
Posts: 43478
Founded: Sep 30, 2007
Mother Knows Best State

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:10 pm

"Manspreading" is in my experience a nonsense. I often commute to and from work and I've found that women are at least as likely to take up excessive amounts of space, particularly by using the seats either side of them as storage space for their shopping bags rather than putting them on the floor (and then developing that peculiar type of self-entitled blindness where all the people around them who are having to stand up fade from view).

Yeah, occasionally men take up 1.25 seats by stretching their legs out. Maybe this reflects a biological/physical need for them. I don't know enough to comment, though it strikes me as very plausible thinking back and using my...uh, unusual insights from both sides of that fence. But whatever, public transport space-hogging is definitely not a male only thing, and to selectively pick one element and turn it into a talking point about bad man invasors of womyn space? It's pure ideology, radfem wank that's been given far too much popular attention by supposedly serious commentators.
Last edited by Dumb Ideologies on Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Tʜᴇ Mᴏsᴛʟʏ Pᴇᴀᴄᴇғᴜʟ Rɪᴏᴛɪɴɢ ᴏғ Dᴜᴍʙ Iᴅᴇᴏʟᴏɢɪᴇs
¸„¤*˜*¤„¸„¤*˜*¤„¸ To culture war! The cause of and solution to all of life's problems ¸„¤*˜*¤„¸„¤*˜*¤„¸
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane ~ Marcus Aurelius
♆ P ᴀ x D I ᴀ ʙ ᴏ ʟ ɪ ᴄ ᴀ ♆

User avatar
Geneviev
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 14295
Founded: Mar 03, 2018
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Geneviev » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:11 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Geneviev wrote:That's ridiculous. I don't think this is serious, though.


I hope not.

It seems too ridiculous that the person who made this was serious.
VOTE!!
I believe in: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.
Not queer.

User avatar
Scomagia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18703
Founded: Apr 14, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Scomagia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:11 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Scomagia wrote:I didn't know that it mattered quite that much. Welp, given that Mrs. Scomagia and I are trying for a baby, I'll definitely be mindful to keep spreading....

The general rule is to avoid heated testes, so it's not healthy to take too hot showers and the like too

But I like hot showers. :(

Bummer.
Insert trite farewell here

User avatar
Scomagia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18703
Founded: Apr 14, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Scomagia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:12 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
I hope not.

It seems too ridiculous that the person who made this was serious.

Yeah, freebleeding was ridiculous too. Until it got taken seriously.
Insert trite farewell here

User avatar
Al Mumtahanah
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1709
Founded: Jun 21, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:12 pm

It is totally unacceptable to touch a woman or sit next to her if she isn't family or spouse, I can understand the concern.
Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

User avatar
Great Minarchistan
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5953
Founded: Jan 08, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:13 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:The general rule is to avoid heated testes, so it's not healthy to take too hot showers and the like too

But I like hot showers. :(

Bummer.

Think of the children! :P
Awarded for Best Capitalist in 2018 NSG Awards ;')
##############################
Fmr. libertarian, irredeemable bank shill and somewhere inbetween classical liberalism and neoliberalism // Political Compass: +8.75 Economic, -2.25 Social (May 2019)

User avatar
Scomagia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18703
Founded: Apr 14, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Scomagia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:13 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:It is totally unacceptable to touch a woman or sit next to her if she isn't family or spouse, I can understand the concern.

Oh fuck that noise. Hard.
Insert trite farewell here

User avatar
Scomagia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18703
Founded: Apr 14, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Scomagia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:14 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Scomagia wrote:But I like hot showers. :(

Bummer.

Think of the children! :P

Goddamn it!

Looks like I'm stuck taking mild showers. :(
Insert trite farewell here

User avatar
North Couver
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 2
Founded: Mar 07, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby North Couver » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:14 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:It is totally unacceptable to touch a woman or sit next to her if she isn't family or spouse, I can understand the concern.

I think a simple knee to knee contact in a small space can be excused...

User avatar
Geneviev
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 14295
Founded: Mar 03, 2018
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Geneviev » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:17 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It seems too ridiculous that the person who made this was serious.

Yeah, freebleeding was ridiculous too. Until it got taken seriously.

I never heard of that before. :blink:

Al Mumtahanah wrote:It is totally unacceptable to touch a woman or sit next to her if she isn't family or spouse, I can understand the concern.

That's a little extreme.
VOTE!!
I believe in: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.
Not queer.

Next

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Absolon-7, Aeritai, Caleonia, Catsfern, Cordel One, Droiden, Dumb Ideologies, Eukaryotic Cells, Fartsniffage, Greater Cosmicium, Heloin, Idzequitch, Imperial-Octavia, Majestic-12 [Bot], Major-Tom, Names Are Too Hard, Plzen, Redimidos de Dios, San Lumen, SD_Film Artists, Sint Lucere, The Blaatschapen, The Greater Ohio Valley, The Huskar Social Union, Turelisa-, Untecna, Vassenor, Yasuragi

Advertisement

Remove ads