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Berkley to cease using gendered language like "manhole"

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Should other cities remove gendered words from their vocabulary too?

Of course. 'Manhole' is an inherently offensive term.
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No. I like my gendered words the way they are.
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Quarantine Berkley.
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Berkley to cease using gendered language like "manhole"

Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:03 pm

It may seem like satire, but it's true.
Soon, there will be no more manholes in the city of Berkeley, California. There will also be no chairmen, no manpower, no policemen or policewomen.

No, that doesn't mean a whole city will be without committee leaders and law enforcement. It means that words that imply a gender preference will be removed from the city's codes and replaced with gender-neutral terms, according a recently adopted ordinance.

The city voted Tuesday night to replace gendered terms in its municipal codes, like "manhole" and "manpower," with gender-neutral ones like "maintenance hole" and "human effort."

The item passed without discussion or comments and was not controversial, said Berkeley City Council member Rigel Robinson, the bill's primary author.

"There's power in language," Robinson said. "This is a small move, but it matters."

The revised city documents also will replace instances of gendered pronouns, such as "he" and "she" with "they," according to the ordinance.

Berkeley's municipal code currently contains mostly masculine pronouns, the office of the city manager said in a letter to the mayor and city council.

"Having a male-centric municipal code is inaccurate and not reflective of our reality," Robinson said. "Women and non-binary individuals are just as entitled to accurate representation. Our laws are for everyone, and our municipal code should reflect that."

The city of Berkley, California, unhappy with how many times they have to use 'man' as part of a sentence, has now seen fit to scrub all official use of gendered words from it's vocabulary. 'Manhole' is now 'maintenance hole', 'policeman' is now simply 'police officer', and so on. We live in a brave new age of Newspeak where words that no one outside of the Berkley City Council was offended by previously must now be limited (I mean, seriously, was anyone really offended by 'manhole'). Obviously, I find this to be ridiculous as I don't see how the use of these common terms was detrimental to anybody.

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Postby Nakena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:06 pm

I don't even get this anymore.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:07 pm

iirc Washington did this a few years back but nobody actually started using the new language

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:07 pm

Nakena wrote:I don't even get this anymore.

No one does.
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Postby Page » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:08 pm

I don't think it was really necessary, I'd be hard pressed to find anyone I ever known concerned with what we call manholes, and I mostly hang out with leftists.

That said, it may not have been necessary but this isn't worth any anti-PC, anti-SJW backlash either, the change doesn't do any harm.
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Postby Aozora Blu Sky » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:08 pm

They've pretty much already done this with professions in Canada. Police officer, fisherperson, etc. As for 'manholes', I keep my 'manhole' in my pants. :lol:

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Postby Alvecia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:08 pm

Surely this is the death of modern society.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:08 pm

Point of order-It’s not that nobody can use the words. It’s that the maintenance codes are gender neutral. Not quite the same thing.
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Postby Cetacea » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:09 pm

Berkeley don’t violate my Manhole - or else I will scream!!!


The other changes though are a non-issue really, using different terms in the city’s codes is hardly something noteworthy, except that Maintenance Hole is far too long

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Postby Deltia- » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:09 pm

And people seriously wonder why I wish I was born in 1903 instead of 2003. I wouldn't be alive to see this bullshit if I was.
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Postby Juristonia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:10 pm

You're pushing the most extreme examples here, despite them being pretty minor things that just so happen to automatically be included.
It's intellectual dishonest and you should probably try to do better.

Beyond that, I don't really care either way?
I mean, clearly there are enough people that feel more comfortable with this, so good for them.
Is anyone else really going to lose any sleep over some city council correspondence no longer using certain words?
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Postby Page » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:10 pm

Kowani wrote:Point of order-It’s not that nobody can use the words. It’s that the maintenance codes are gender neutral. Not quite the same thing.


Yup, if only more people would pay attention to that fact, every time there is one of these stories about changes to language there are people who claim these changes are enforced with the threat of going to prison.
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Postby Camelone » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:11 pm

Page wrote:I don't think it was really necessary, I'd be hard pressed to find anyone I ever known concerned with what we call manholes, and I mostly hang out with leftists.

That said, it may not have been necessary but this isn't worth any anti-PC, anti-SJW backlash either, the change doesn't do any harm.

It's a government changing organically generated words to approved Newspeak, it is ridiculous and also slightly concerning that a governmental body sees the need to alter language when there is no need to adapt to a change in the organically generated vernacular.
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Postby Fasma » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:11 pm

I didn't vote, but I don't see any issue with the word "manhole" or "man-whatever" in general. I guess I grew up with the idea that "Man" was simply referring to humanity in general, like "mankind". Yes "man" also means male too, but there are plenty of words in the English language that have multiple meanings. Anyway, if people want manhole to be renamed, whatever. I just don't see it as an issue. When it comes to women's rights, there are far greater concerns than what you should call sewer entrances. I mean come on...

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Postby Liriena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:12 pm

The city voted Tuesday night to replace gendered terms in its municipal codes

So... they changed the wording in texts that only bureaucrats ever read or care about.

Imagine thinking this is news-worthy and controversial.
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Postby Purgatio » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:12 pm

I mean what can we really expect anymore at this point. This reminds me of that news story of Cardiff Metropolitan banning phrases like "gentlemen's agreement" and "forefathers" and "sportsmanship" as gendered and misogynistic. We live in a crazy, revisionist world, and there are so many Cultural Marxists seeking to erase traditional modes of being and do away with all notion of gender altogether or pretend gendered distinctions don't exist. What can one do.
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Postby Juristonia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:14 pm

Liriena wrote:
The city voted Tuesday night to replace gendered terms in its municipal codes

So... they changed the wording in texts that only bureaucrats ever read or care about.

Imagine thinking this is news-worthy and controversial.

You don't understand. Those oversensitive and offended SJW snowflakes made a slight change in something that won't really impact anyone's life in any way.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:14 pm

Aozora Blu Sky wrote:They've pretty much already done this with professions in Canada. Police officer, fisherperson, etc. As for 'manholes', I keep my 'manhole' maintenance hole in my pants. :lol:

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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:15 pm

Camelone wrote:
Page wrote:I don't think it was really necessary, I'd be hard pressed to find anyone I ever known concerned with what we call manholes, and I mostly hang out with leftists.

That said, it may not have been necessary but this isn't worth any anti-PC, anti-SJW backlash either, the change doesn't do any harm.

It's a government changing organically generated words to approved Newspeak, it is ridiculous and also slightly concerning that a governmental body sees the need to alter language when there is no need to adapt to a change in the organically generated vernacular.

Have you ever read any legislation? It’s inorganic already. And at any rate, it’s not like anything besides the maintenance codes are being altered.
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Camelone wrote:
Page wrote:I don't think it was really necessary, I'd be hard pressed to find anyone I ever known concerned with what we call manholes, and I mostly hang out with leftists.

That said, it may not have been necessary but this isn't worth any anti-PC, anti-SJW backlash either, the change doesn't do any harm.

It's a government changing organically generated words to approved Newspeak, it is ridiculous and also slightly concerning that a governmental body sees the need to alter language when there is no need to adapt to a change in the organically generated vernacular.


Either people will start using the alternative terms or they won't, either way, so be it. Language is constantly evolving and ultimately popular consensus is its only judge.
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Yeah I'm not sensing an actual argument being made here
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:16 pm

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Kowani wrote:Point of order-It’s not that nobody can use the words. It’s that the maintenance codes are gender neutral. Not quite the same thing.


Yup, if only more people would pay attention to that fact, every time there is one of these stories about changes to language there are people who claim these changes are enforced with the threat of going to prison.

Worst thing you'll have is left winged grammar nazis. Oh god, how I would hate to be stuck in a room with one.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:16 pm

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Liriena wrote:
The city voted Tuesday night to replace gendered terms in its municipal codes

So... they changed the wording in texts that only bureaucrats ever read or care about.

Imagine thinking this is news-worthy and controversial.

You don't understand. Those oversensitive and offended SJW snowflakes made a slight change in something that won't really impact anyone's life in any way.
This has gone too far.

Anti-SJWs are just the reactionary version of me when I was 19 and on Tumblr: just pathetically desperate for any content to be outraged about
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