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On The Bagel Boss Guy And Height Discrimination

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How relevant is height discrimination, and who does it affect the most?

Very relevant; men
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20%
Relevant; men
17
35%
Not all that relevant; men
11
22%
Irrelevant; men
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10%
Very relevant; women
2
4%
Relevant; women
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2%
Not all that relevant; women
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2%
Irrelevant; women
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4%
 
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:28 am

Source: https://popculture.com/trending/2019/07 ... -boss-guy/

TL;DR: Short statured man rants about height discrimination on a Bagel Boss shop (presumably due to previous mockery done by the establishment's workers) and gets into a fight with two men, followed by arguing with the shop staff.

The most provoking thoughts that can be extracted from this occurrence, in my opinion, isn't derived from the fact per se, rather due to the framework at which it is inserted on. For most involved in social media, it isn't infrequent to stumble upon ill-intended comments aimed at the stature of people, especially men, done by a public that is usually composed of women. Although there are other types of discrimination that are also spread around (especially those aimed at race, weight and social status), the topic of height discrimination is often unheard of -- even though it is a true nuisance for those targeted by it. As a matter of fact, not only was height cited as the second largest factor determinant of beauty by incels, as well as short men can have nearly half the amount of sex partners, and can get hit on dating sites up to five times less than tall men. The effect is also socioeconomic and may be even a public health issue: Each additional inch of height for men increases their lifetime income by $20000, and a Swedish study found out that being one inch shorter increases suicide rates by 5%.

All that said, I find it rather disturbing to see how struggles experienced by people like Chris Morgan (the Bagel Boss guy) are often overlooked by the same social justice fighters -- not to confuse with SJWs -- which are busy denouncing other sorts of bigotry that don't seem to be nearly as bad.

So, NSG, what is your take on this all? Is there someone (or some group) to blame for this discrimination, and is it relevant?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:46 am

In short, this dwarfs issues that get much more attention but the elites have never cared about the little guy. I stand with them, slightly slouching in respectful acknowledgment of my privilege.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:47 am

Shoudn't be long before this too turns into a tirade on how Vaginas Are Evil.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:48 am

Gormwood wrote:Shoudn't be long before this too turns into a tirade on how Vaginas Are Evil.

Rather hasty from you. Other than that, do you have any reasonable input to the thread?
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:49 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Shoudn't be long before this too turns into a tirade on how Vaginas Are Evil.

Rather hasty from you. Other than that, do you have any reasonable input to the thread?

Napoleon got Josephine. This guy is just a whiny alt-right InCel.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:53 am

Gormwood wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Rather hasty from you. Other than that, do you have any reasonable input to the thread?

Napoleon got Josephine. This guy is just a whiny alt-right InCel.

The whole point is that being extremely disadvantaged re: stature is a significant factor to let men (and women to some extent) behind not only in dating, as well as in socioeconomic conditions and mental health. As a caveat, Napoleon was average height for his time, and should be in no way representative of those who are truly struggling with height
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:54 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Shoudn't be long before this too turns into a tirade on how Vaginas Are Evil.

Rather hasty from you. Other than that, do you have any reasonable input to the thread?


> it isn't infrequent to stumble upon ill-intended comments aimed at the stature of people, especially men, done by a public that is usually composed of women.

>not baiting a tirade on how Vaginas Are Evil

whew lad.

Plus most of the rant was based on the fact that women won't date him and he assumed it must be because of his height and not because he's, you know, the sort of guy to throw down in a bagel store because the cashier smiled at him.
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Postby Cappuccina » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:55 am

Gormwood wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Rather hasty from you. Other than that, do you have any reasonable input to the thread?

Napoleon got Josephine. This guy is just a whiny alt-right InCel.


That's rather insensitive. He's frustrated by the proverbial cards sacked against him by society, very unfortunate.

Also pressing to me is that disparity in income, tbh.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:56 am

Vassenor wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Rather hasty from you. Other than that, do you have any reasonable input to the thread?


> it isn't infrequent to stumble upon ill-intended comments aimed at the stature of people, especially men, done by a public that is usually composed of women.

>not baiting a tirade on how Vaginas Are Evil

whew lad.

Plus most of the rant was based on the fact that women won't date him and he assumed it must be because of his height and not because he's, you know, the sort of guy to throw down in a bagel store because the cashier smiled at him.


You're being very presumptive and intolerant today. Is everything okay?
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:56 am

“If you’re looking for the short guy who is angry, he’s around the corner fighting with the homeless people," a local told reporters.

I mean.. I think he has anger issues in general..

However, yes, height discrimination is a thing, much like anything that falls out of the average. Having said that I'm 6.3" so what do I care, I just reap the benefits, except:

1. Planes - frankly I should be automatically upgraded, especially on long haul.
2. Public utility - the amount of times I'm asked to get things from high shelves in supermarkets, or be general handyman. Once at a festival a girl next to me was like 'come over, I'm stood next to a tall guy', and I was a bit 'ok, now I have to stand here or you're going to have to follow me around for a while'.
3 - Clothes - specifically any form of trouser, whoever makes them seems to think the waist exponentially grows with the length of leg, meaning I'm always cobbling in wide waists on trousers.

Still, and not to indulge in whataboutism but for any girl to be outside the parameters of what is supposed to be pretty - too fat, too thin, too tall, too small - I mean I think the issue here is trying to delineate it into gender based issue as opposed to anything different is bad issue.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:01 am

Vassenor wrote:> it isn't infrequent to stumble upon ill-intended comments aimed at the stature of people, especially men, done by a public that is usually composed of women.

>not baiting a tirade on how Vaginas Are Evil

whew lad.

It isn't wrong though? Just like the bulk of criticism on weight is done by men towards women, although thats a fairly established concept already

Vassenor wrote:Plus most of the rant was based on the fact that women won't date him and he assumed it must be because of his height and not because he's, you know, the sort of guy to throw down in a bagel store because the cashier smiled at him.

Once you are harassed long enough by whatever characteristic you possess, it's unsurprising that you will end up assimilating social rejection to that -- even because it is rational to do so. While at his rant he also directly said that many women were extremely disrespectful to him because of his height, so its not like there is a random "residual" to explain his situation.
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:01 am

Gormwood wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Rather hasty from you. Other than that, do you have any reasonable input to the thread?

Napoleon got Josephine. This guy is just a whiny alt-right InCel.

Not sure "guy of average height married widowed woman who had been the mistress of numerous politicians and then cheated on him" is the great argument you think it is.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:03 am

Gormwood wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Rather hasty from you. Other than that, do you have any reasonable input to the thread?

Napoleon got Josephine. This guy is just a whiny alt-right InCel.

Napoleon was in fact of average height. His height was merely downplayed in British propaganda.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:04 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:While at his rant he also directly said that many women were extremely disrespectful to him because of his height, so its not like there is a random "residual" to explain his situation.


Why beat up homeless people though?

I'm pretty sure he's rejected not because of his height but because he's an angry violent person.

Boss bagel guy has a youtube channel where he goes to be extremely racist, antisemitic, misogynist and stupid.

..and..

As of July 11th, Chris Morgan has uploaded over 30 videos and 1,300 subscribers many of which are of arguments with various people. Over the last two years he has posted a video of an altercation with a 7/11 worker, a woman in line for the bathroom, a librarian and a woman who wanted to go home after a date with him.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:07 am

Bombadil wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:While at his rant he also directly said that many women were extremely disrespectful to him because of his height, so its not like there is a random "residual" to explain his situation.


Why beat up homeless people though?

I'm pretty sure he's rejected not because of his height but because he's an angry violent person.

Don't you think that his violent behavior is at least partly induced by decades of demeaning societal behavior regarding his height? The statistically significant link between height and suicide does make me ponder about the mental health implications of "heightism".
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:09 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Why beat up homeless people though?

I'm pretty sure he's rejected not because of his height but because he's an angry violent person.

Don't you think that his violent behavior is at least partly induced by decades of demeaning societal behavior regarding his height? The statistically significant link between height and suicide does make me ponder about the mental health implications of "heightism".


Can you prove that, or are you just speculating to divert attention from his open sexism?
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:09 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Why beat up homeless people though?

I'm pretty sure he's rejected not because of his height but because he's an angry violent person.

Don't you think that his violent behavior is at least partly induced by decades of demeaning societal behavior regarding his height? The statistically significant link between height and suicide does make me ponder about the mental health implications of "heightism".

How tall are you?

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Postby Bombadil » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:09 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Why beat up homeless people though?

I'm pretty sure he's rejected not because of his height but because he's an angry violent person.

Don't you think that his violent behavior is at least partly induced by decades of demeaning societal behavior regarding his height? The statistically significant link between height and suicide does make me ponder about the mental health implications of "heightism".


Partly perhaps, though that's partly offset by the fact there's lots of short people who don't get into fights all the time, don't post videos of them fighting along with bigoted views and don't spend their time beating up homeless people.

I'm inclined to think, mostly, he's an asshole.

That's not to say height discrimination is not a thing but, frankly, it's a thing among many things that fall outside the average.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:10 am

Vassenor wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Don't you think that his violent behavior is at least partly induced by decades of demeaning societal behavior regarding his height? The statistically significant link between height and suicide does make me ponder about the mental health implications of "heightism".


Can you prove that, or are you just speculating to divert attention from his open sexism?

Might want to leave the thread before Mount ItsWomensFaultuvius erupts again.
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The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Napoleon got Josephine. This guy is just a whiny alt-right InCel.

Napoleon was in fact of average height. His height was merely downplayed in British propaganda.


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Vassenor wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Don't you think that his violent behavior is at least partly induced by decades of demeaning societal behavior regarding his height? The statistically significant link between height and suicide does make me ponder about the mental health implications of "heightism".


Can you prove that, or are you just speculating to divert attention from his open sexism?

What does his sexism has to do with the relationship between height and suicide? I also detailed on the OP about how his story isnt all that relevant, rather the framework at which it is based upon FWIW.
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Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Don't you think that his violent behavior is at least partly induced by decades of demeaning societal behavior regarding his height? The statistically significant link between height and suicide does make me ponder about the mental health implications of "heightism".

How tall are you?

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:14 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Can you prove that, or are you just speculating to divert attention from his open sexism?

What does his sexism has to do with the relationship between height and suicide? I also detailed on the OP about how his story isnt all that relevant, rather the framework at which it is based upon FWIW.


You're using a guy who threw down in a bagel shop about how women won't date him just because a woman smiled at him as proof of rampant discrimination against short people.
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