by Lanorth » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:12 pm
by First American Empire » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:44 pm
by Risottia » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:03 pm
by Bombadil » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:15 pm
by Khataiy » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:27 pm
by Cappuccina » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:16 am
by -Ocelot- » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:40 am
Bombadil wrote:I guess Saudi Arabia will need to compensate by purchasing more lovely weapons.
Tekania wrote:IMHO a program that has continuously run over-budget is making a serious blunder in turning away a customer.
by Crockerland » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:45 am
by -Ocelot- » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:53 am
Crockerland wrote:The US should also withdraw all of its nuclear weapons from Turkey, and of course officially recognize the Armenian Genocide at a federal level.
Currently, only the governments of Turkey and Azerbaijan deny that there was an Armenian genocide, while Pakistan does not recognize Armenia's existence as a country. Many other countries, most controversially the United States (pressured by the Turkish lobby, Israel, and, in the past, the Anti-Defamation League),have deliberately avoided officially recognizing it as a genocide to avoid harming relations with Turkey.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:56 am
by Cappuccina » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:03 am
-Ocelot- wrote:As a Greek I am happy Turkey is purposely weakening itself. Keep ruining your economy. And destroy your relations with the US, please. Let us have the F-35 while you have jack.Bombadil wrote:I guess Saudi Arabia will need to compensate by purchasing more lovely weapons.
8 billion to be precise.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... be-stopped
Trump has no problem arming these particular Islamists. Weird.Tekania wrote:IMHO a program that has continuously run over-budget is making a serious blunder in turning away a customer.
It's alright, we'll buy them.
by The New California Republic » Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:19 am
by Novus America » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:21 am
Cappuccina wrote:Turkey isn't gonna miss out on much considering the F-35 is moribund. They were probably never even going to get any.
by Novus America » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:22 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:A weak response from the US.
by -Ocelot- » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:28 am
Nakena wrote:F-35 are overrated and overpriced. Would not buy yet. Rather wait a few years till they have figured them out and have been proved themself in combat.
by Novus America » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:34 am
by Loben The 2nd » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:35 am
by Kernen » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:41 am
Khataiy wrote:Objectively speaking, this only hurts the US, the fact Turkey has received Russian produced anti-aircraft systems should actually is a benefit for NATO, the stated concerns over the S-400 system being an "intelligence" project for the Russians are a bit of an outlandish claim, in fact this is a major plus for NATO intelligence on the nature of the S-400 system and its weaknesses and how to use its technology to adapt NATO equipment including future jets and countering it. Turkey really didn't loose much from the F-35s but the S-400s simply are the better option. Bad move by NATO.
by Loben The 2nd » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:42 am
Kernen wrote:Khataiy wrote:Objectively speaking, this only hurts the US, the fact Turkey has received Russian produced anti-aircraft systems should actually is a benefit for NATO, the stated concerns over the S-400 system being an "intelligence" project for the Russians are a bit of an outlandish claim, in fact this is a major plus for NATO intelligence on the nature of the S-400 system and its weaknesses and how to use its technology to adapt NATO equipment including future jets and countering it. Turkey really didn't loose much from the F-35s but the S-400s simply are the better option. Bad move by NATO.
It really isn't.
Any defense system will have to be integrated with existing technology so the defense system doesn't shoot allied aircraft or vehicles. A defense system this advanced uses a lot of metrics for measuring, and would have to integrate or account for the systems that make the F-35 particularly stealthy when it comes to targeting. The US cannot rule out that the S-400 platform would not be accessible by Russians electronically. So any integrated defense is going to expose information we have an interest in keeping safe to the people we're trying to stay safe from.
If the technology in the F-35 is really as advanced as we're acting like it is, which in fairness it probably is, efficiency in development aside, this is the only safe move.
by Kernen » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:43 am
Loben The 2nd wrote:Kernen wrote:It really isn't.
Any defense system will have to be integrated with existing technology so the defense system doesn't shoot allied aircraft or vehicles. A defense system this advanced uses a lot of metrics for measuring, and would have to integrate or account for the systems that make the F-35 particularly stealthy when it comes to targeting. The US cannot rule out that the S-400 platform would not be accessible by Russians electronically. So any integrated defense is going to expose information we have an interest in keeping safe to the people we're trying to stay safe from.
If the technology in the F-35 is really as advanced as we're acting like it is, which in fairness it probably is, efficiency in development aside, this is the only safe move.
tbh we should also cut Britain out of the F-35 too.
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