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The Ratora Lotow
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Repeal “Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy”

Postby The Ratora Lotow » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:05 pm

General Assembly Resolution #467 “Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy” (Category: Civil Rights; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

"Transgender" is not a real thing that can occur. One cannot choose or change their sexual identity. You are either born with XY chromosomes (male) or XX chromosomes (female). It is that simple and there is no middle ground. A person that claims to be "transgender" or "nonbinary" is simply confused. :)

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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:07 pm

(OOC: This doesn’t seem to be a serious proposal. Assuming it might be, smilies don’t work in GA proposals, and this isn’t written at all like a law. I suggest reviewing some passed repeals for inspiration.)
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Postby Imbalistan » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:08 pm

The Ratora Lotow wrote:General Assembly Resolution #467 “Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy” (Category: Civil Rights; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

"Transgender" is not a real thing that can occur. One cannot choose or change their sexual identity. You are either born with XY chromosomes (male) or XX chromosomes (female). It is that simple and there is no middle ground. A person that claims to be "transgender" or "nonbinary" is simply confused. :)

help to Repeal “Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy” :!:

Yeah, nope, not this bull of a argument again.
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Postby Pacomia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:09 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:please...don't...start this debate...

Get out of here while you still can. The shitstorm is coming, and it’ll be worse than any hurricane you’ll see in Florida.
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Postby Novo Vaticanus » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:11 pm

REPEAL REPEAL REPEAL

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Postby Attempted Socialism » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:11 pm

Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: This doesn’t seem to be a serious proposal. Assuming it might be, smilies don’t work in GA proposals, and this isn’t written at all like a law. I suggest reviewing some passed repeals for inspiration.)

OOC: And also just generally the rules for repeals, which the current draft is in fragrant violation of. If any serious proposal is based on the arguments in the OP, it'll run afoul of New Legislation and Honest Mistakes rules.


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https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=secular_germania_1563303817 wrote:Repeal: “Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy”

A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal

Resolution: GA#467

Proposed by: Secular Germania

General Assembly Resolution #467 “Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy” (Category: Civil Rights; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

"Transgender" is not a real thing that can occur. One cannot choose or change their sexual identity. You are either born with XY chromosomes (male) or XX chromosomes (female). It is that simple and there is no middle ground. A person that claims to be "transgender" or "nonbinary" is simply confused.
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Postby Imbalistan » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:12 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Get out of here while you still can. The shitstorm is coming, and it’ll be worse than any hurricane you’ll see in Florida.

But I'm drawn to it...I feel an urge to argue..... :(

Its to much... UGHHHH!

Okay, transgender people are not confused. Those who wish to change there gender are normal people like me and you.
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Postby Pacomia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:13 pm

Imbalistan wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:But I'm drawn to it...I feel an urge to argue..... :(

Its to much... UGHHHH!

Okay, transgender people are not confused. Those who wish to change there gender are normal people like me and you.

D O N O T-

alright bud you want to argue? I’ll give you something to argue abou-
NO NO NO NO NO NO I WILL NOT ALLOW MYSELF TO FUEL THIS
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Postby Pacomia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:22 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Pacomia wrote:D O N O T-

alright bud you want to argue? I’ll give you something to argue abou-
NO NO NO NO NO NO I WILL NOT ALLOW MYSELF TO FUEL THIS

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!


Look whether LGBT people are confused or not doesn't matter let them do what they want if it's wrong God will punish them it causes nobody harm letting them pretend to be that way even if it is wrong which I'm not saying it is, if it's a sin then fine let god punish them I'll just stay out of it personally.

You... are making this... very... difficult.
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Postby Pacomia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:23 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Pacomia wrote:You... are making this... very... difficult.

Let's go drink champagne and discuss roleplay stuff in tg's then m8y.

I can’t believe you brought religion into this too.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:24 pm

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Postby Pacomia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:26 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Pacomia wrote:I can’t believe you brought religion into this too.

To TG's, but first:
You could make a religion out of this.

This is really the last thing I want to talk about right now.
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Postby Saint Arsenio » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:32 pm

OOC: I don't think this would be considered legal, seen as it lacks many key details and information, which is required when Repealing a Resolution that has as much support as this one. (I'm not a Mod)

Personally, I don't see any problem with this Resolution, but if you really want to repeal it, you should probably expand it, and better explain why you want it to be repealed. (Again, I'm not a Mod or any type of Editor).

Hope this helped!
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Postby The Christian God » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:34 pm

I am a lot more likely to punish you for hating on your fellow man.

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Postby Pacomia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:34 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Pacomia wrote:This is really the last thing I want to talk about right now.

It's a reference to bill wurtz.

I know.
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:45 pm

Saint Arsenio wrote:OOC: I don't think this would be considered legal

OOC: Indeed. It's illegal for Honest Mistake (doesn't address the target resolution) at least, also Branding (if the "my god" bit is part of the text), possibly also Legislating in a Repeal, but the Honest Mistake is really the worst offender here.

(Again, I'm not a Mod or any type of Editor).

You don't need to keep saying that on this forum.
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Postby Saint Arsenio » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:56 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Saint Arsenio wrote:OOC: I don't think this would be considered legal

OOC: Indeed. It's illegal for Honest Mistake (doesn't address the target resolution) at least, also Branding (if the "my god" bit is part of the text), possibly also Legislating in a Repeal, but the Honest Mistake is really the worst offender here.

(Again, I'm not a Mod or any type of Editor).

You don't need to keep saying that on this forum.

I know, I just wanted to make sure people knew that I wasn't a Moderator. (I hope to become one, someday, though.)

I don't think that the "My God" thing was part of the resolution, but it may have been.
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:01 pm

Saint Arsenio wrote:I know, I just wanted to make sure people knew that I wasn't a Moderator.

OOC: No-one would think you are one, so you don't need to keep saying it. And in any case, mods don't decide GA proposal legality, GenSec do, and they've been selected from among GA regulars. That is, people who have been giving feedback on GA proposal threads for years.
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Postby Saint Arsenio » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:09 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Saint Arsenio wrote:I know, I just wanted to make sure people knew that I wasn't a Moderator.

OOC: No-one would think you are one, so you don't need to keep saying it. And in any case, mods don't decide GA proposal legality, GenSec do, and they've been selected from among GA regulars. That is, people who have been giving feedback on GA proposal threads for years.

Okay, okay. Calm down. I understand.
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"Wow, that transgender legislation is going to be GREAT for camping! So much kindling for the fire."
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:00 pm

As long as only the parts about non-binary genders are stricken out I would personally be all for a repeal.
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Postby Jakker » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:49 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!


Look whether LGBT people are confused or not doesn't matter let them do what they want if it's wrong God will punish them it causes nobody harm letting them pretend to be that way even if it is wrong which I'm not saying it is, if it's a sin then fine let god punish them I'll just stay out of it personally.


Seems like you are using "Reee" to mock a player's post. You should know better, so let's be more mindful moving forward.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:24 pm

Cekoviu opposes this repeal for the exact same reasons as the other proposed repeal. Please refer to our statement on the matter:
Cekoviu wrote:Cekoviu strongly opposes this resolution for the following reasons:
1) It appears to be designed for the sole purpose of setting a global legal precedent for the invalidation of transgender people, which we strongly oppose on a human rights basis.
2) It advocates an inaccurate understanding of the nature of the transgender issue for which the original resolution was designed.
3) It contradicts the current consensus within psychological science on the status of transgender identities as a mental illness, which is incorrect.
4) The proposal is poorly-written, with misspelled words and missing punctuation [new: as well as emoji], which is wholly inappropriate for a global organization.

We would also like to add a fifth point, which is that religiously-based legislation has no place in the World Assembly.
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