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[Q] tag:WA for Recruitment?

Postby Jocospor » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:49 am

OOC: Just to be absolutely sure, can use tag:WA for recruitment purposes?
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:56 am

Since this is a gameside matter, couldn't this have been asked via a GHR?
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Postby East Meranopirus » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:57 am

You can, as long as you mark it as recruitment, but it will be frowned upon severely (though it might not matter to you so much), and your region may be subject to retaliatory telegrams.

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Postby Jocospor » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:11 am

The New California Republic wrote:Since this is a gameside matter, couldn't this have been asked via a GHR?

OOC: Sorry, that was indeed my intention. Got the forums mixed up.

EDIT: Ah, I misunderstood. At least publicly this clarifies it for anyone else who wants to double check.

East Meranopirus wrote:You can, as long as you mark it as recruitment, but it will be frowned upon severely (though it might not matter to you so much), and your region may be subject to retaliatory telegrams.

/notamod


Okay, I was fairly sure that was the case. Mod or no, I think you're right. (And yeah, probably won't matter! :P)
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:12 am

Jocospor wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Since this is a gameside matter, couldn't this have been asked via a GHR?

OOC: Sorry, that was indeed my intention. Got the forums mixed up.

GHR isn't on the forums...
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:40 am

Might be a public interest reason to ask on the forums, as CCD isn't the only region that's done this.

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Postby United Republic Empire » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:27 am

Jocospor wrote:OOC: Just to be absolutely sure, can use tag:WA for recruitment purposes?


OOC: I've never seen a rule stating otherwise (I could be wrong). There's no mention of it via OSRS. It's marked recruitment and you've chosen your preferred audience of recipients.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:34 am

United Republic Empire wrote:
Jocospor wrote:OOC: Just to be absolutely sure, can use tag:WA for recruitment purposes?


OOC: I've never seen a rule stating otherwise (I could be wrong). There's no mention of it via OSRS. It's marked recruitment and you've chosen your preferred audience of recipients.

/notamod

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There is no "IC" in moderation. Several people have used IC and OOC tags in this thread, it's entirely redundant...
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Postby 21st Century Rome » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:39 am

Actually, I don't think a GHR is what you should do for this, they say "This form is not for general inquiries or questions."
So this is probably the right place to ask
(not a mod though)
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:41 am

21st Century Rome wrote:Actually, I don't think a GHR is what you should do for this, they say "This form is not for general inquiries or questions."
So this is probably the right place to ask
(not a mod though)

This isn't a general inquiry though, it is very specific and is related to a previous gameside ruling...
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Postby United Republic Empire » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:06 am

Anyone else love using the foe's list ?? - I know I do and can't support it enough.

Anyways, the mods should be happy but annoyed with you Jocospor - you find legal loopholes that the mods can either patch up or leave in the open. So long as you're not spamming the exploitation, although there will be people that will need blood pressure medication now.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:17 am

United Republic Empire wrote:Anyone else love using the foe's list ?? - I know I do and can't support it enough.

Anyways, the mods should be happy but annoyed with you Jocospor - you find legal loopholes that the mods can either patch up or leave in the open. So long as you're not spamming the exploitation, although there will be people that will need blood pressure medication now.

Since he already got warned for it I'd say there isn't a loophole at all...
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Current President of The NCR: Aaron Kimball.
Current NCR Ambassador to The World Assembly: Colonel James Hsu, NCR Army (Ret.)
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Postby United Republic Empire » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:28 am

The New California Republic wrote:
United Republic Empire wrote:Anyone else love using the foe's list ?? - I know I do and can't support it enough.

Anyways, the mods should be happy but annoyed with you Jocospor - you find legal loopholes that the mods can either patch up or leave in the open. So long as you're not spamming the exploitation, although there will be people that will need blood pressure medication now.

Since he already got warned for it I'd say there isn't a loophole at all...


He was warned for not marking it recruitment, not for sending one out. You should go back and reread it because either you didn't fully read it or you don't know what you're talking about.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:34 am

United Republic Empire wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Since he already got warned for it I'd say there isn't a loophole at all...


He was warned for not marking it recruitment, not for sending one out. You should go back and reread it because either you didn't fully read it or you don't know what you're talking about.

Not what I said. I was simply acknowledging that this saga stemmed from an inappropriately labelled TG campaign.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:10 am

The New California Republic wrote:
United Republic Empire wrote:
He was warned for not marking it recruitment, not for sending one out. You should go back and reread it because either you didn't fully read it or you don't know what you're talking about.

Not what I said. I was simply acknowledging that this saga stemmed from an inappropriately labelled TG campaign.

Someone on the last thread mentioned that the WA tag wasn't meant for recruitment though, so that's weird.

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:05 pm

I'm not understanding the confusion or the reason for clarification. You're talking about apples and oranges here.

Tag:WA is a method of addressing. It sends TGs only to WA members. It's no different from "tag:new" or "tag:refounded" in that it targets a specific audience.

The Recruitment and Campaign checkboxes are spam filtering tools. If you're bragging about your region, you need to tag as Recruitment. If you're promoting or fighting against a WA resolution, you need to tag as Campaign. If there's any doubt, tag as Recruitment since you can't apply two tags. That's the one that's blocked the most.

I will say as a player, not as a mod, that singling out WA members has the greatest potential to annoy lots of players. People don't like being spammed, and most mass telegrams come across as spam. Just because it's not necessarily against site rules doesn't make it a good idea.

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Postby Jebslund » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:54 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:I'm not understanding the confusion or the reason for clarification. You're talking about apples and oranges here.

Tag:WA is a method of addressing. It sends TGs only to WA members. It's no different from "tag:new" or "tag:refounded" in that it targets a specific audience.

The Recruitment and Campaign checkboxes are spam filtering tools. If you're bragging about your region, you need to tag as Recruitment. If you're promoting or fighting against a WA resolution, you need to tag as Campaign. If there's any doubt, tag as Recruitment since you can't apply two tags. That's the one that's blocked the most.

I will say as a player, not as a mod, that singling out WA members has the greatest potential to annoy lots of players. People don't like being spammed, and most mass telegrams come across as spam. Just because it's not necessarily against site rules doesn't make it a good idea.

This. Jocospor, kindly stop trying to find ways around recruitment tag blocks. It's not clever. It's not endearing. It's spam, and it's irritating. I and many others have recruitment telegrams blocked for a reason, and your need to constantly send out "news" about your region to people not in it is beginning to resemble Enadia's near-constant mass-TGs when I was (briefly) a member of that region.
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Postby Inven » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:00 am

Um...Yes? The Black Hawk do it, right?

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Postby Jocospor » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:09 am

OOC: Lol, everyone talking about me like I'm not here. This thread stemmed from, yes, past moderation experiences with telegramming. Perhaps if those experiences had not been so varied then I wouldn't have troubled everyone with this.

Frisbeeteria wrote:I will say as a player, not as a mod, that singling out WA members has the greatest potential to annoy lots of players. People don't like being spammed, and most mass telegrams come across as spam. Just because it's not necessarily against site rules doesn't make it a good idea.


Thanks for the clarification there Fris, but on the above I think you've grossly mischaracterised our operations. No one can reasonably consider what we do as spam. A telegram every two months and a telegram twice daily are two very different things. I don't necessarily know if it's healthy for a mod to make such sweeping statements. I agree in that people might not like what we do and how we do it, but we do get results through this way, and the way I've played NS is just largely unprecedented. As/if more people emulate what the Confederation has started, I'm sure hostilities will die down. Trends come and go, after all. Thanks again for the clarification :)
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:14 am

Jocospor wrote:No one can reasonably consider what we do as spam.

To anyone not in your region, it is spam.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:24 am

Fuck. No.

Even if it is legal (it's not), I do not want to be spammed with recruitments for your region under the guise of the WA. Get. Some. Stamps. And. Use. That. Recruit. Tag.

I believe many others share my opinion, as seen on this thread, and your region would probably be lynched if you try something like that
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:29 am

Araraukar wrote:
Jocospor wrote:No one can reasonably consider what we do as spam.

To anyone not in your region, it is spam.

I mean, seriously. What is this guys logic?

If I sent out a mass telegram to everyone in the WA saying "Hey guys, my region is kewl!" then not only would I get a beating warning from the mods but practically everyone would consider it spam.
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Postby Jocospor » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:13 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Araraukar wrote:To anyone not in your region, it is spam.

I mean, seriously. What is this guys logic?

If I sent out a mass telegram to everyone in the WA saying "Hey guys, my region is kewl!" then not only would I get a beating warning from the mods but practically everyone would consider it spam.

OOC: Wow, okay. Well I've since done everything you've said (but I marked the telegram as tag:WA and recruitment). It's quite legal, the moderator's have confirmed that above in this thread.

Maybe a good thing I did make this public after all.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:18 am

Jocospor wrote:No one can reasonably consider what we do as spam.

Oh my, that's hilarious.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:04 am

Frisbeeteria wrote:I'm not understanding the confusion or the reason for clarification. You're talking about apples and oranges here.

Tag:WA is a method of addressing. It sends TGs only to WA members. It's no different from "tag:new" or "tag:refounded" in that it targets a specific audience.

The Recruitment and Campaign checkboxes are spam filtering tools. If you're bragging about your region, you need to tag as Recruitment. If you're promoting or fighting against a WA resolution, you need to tag as Campaign. If there's any doubt, tag as Recruitment since you can't apply two tags. That's the one that's blocked the most.

I will say as a player, not as a mod, that singling out WA members has the greatest potential to annoy lots of players. People don't like being spammed, and most mass telegrams come across as spam. Just because it's not necessarily against site rules doesn't make it a good idea.

Thanks for the clarification, you've answered the confusion I had. One of the mods (I forget who) said that tag:wa wasn't intended for recruitment, which set off alarm bells.

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