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You are 3-year-old Sofi. Which parent do you choose to stay with in the US?

Mami, because she takes good care of me
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Papi, because he's bringing crime, he's bringing drugs, he's a rapist
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Can't choose, everyone goes to summer camp!
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Abolish ICE, abolish CBP
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Total votes : 37

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Sofi's Choice: US Border Edition

Postby US-SSR » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:53 pm

Last Thursday a Border Patrol agent asked 3-year-old Sofi, a Honduran girl with a serious heart condition whose family had fled after her grandmother and aunt were tortured and killed, to choose which parent she and her two siblings would stay with in the US. The other parent would be sent back to Mexico, even though Department of Homeland Security regulations exempt those with serious health issues from its unlawful "Remain in Mexico" program.

If you were Sofi, which parent would you choose? If you refuse to choose your whole family is separated and sent to different concentration camps.

If I were Sofi I'd choose Melania Trump because she's such a nice woman. #BeBest
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Postby ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:58 pm

Crap like this is what makes me hate this country. Ugh! La'natullah 'alaa Amreeka (may Allah's SWT curse be upon America) if it doesn't repent and change, aameen.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:03 pm

I mean.....it is a toddler, a damn toddler. Unless one of her parents are being unkind to her or make she feels uncomfortable by being near them, she would have a hard time to choose. Naturally, she would want to stay with both.

Have no idea about the other siblings though.

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Postby Saint Arsenio » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:09 pm

This makes me sick to my stomach.

This is one of those times where I'm embarrassed to be an American. This is one of those times where I wish that people would open their eyes, and see what the Man they voted into office is doing to these poor families.

I guess "Land of the free, and home of the brave" means nothing anymore. If America is going to last, we need to change.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:23 pm

Haha…What the actual fuck.
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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:25 pm

That's so fucked up. They chose to enter illegally and do this to their children. The parents should be ashamed of themselves while the US taxpayer does everything in its power to keep their deathly Ill child alive. All they had to do is apply for asylum.

Shit like this makes me sick. The US has let in the largest number of immigrants and refugees of any country currently in existence. Be proud we help so many.

A side note: the parent should be the one with no violent criminal history. Failing that they should decide amongst themselves. A child is incapable of bearing such a decision.
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Postby US-SSR » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:38 pm

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:That's so fucked up. They chose to enter illegally and do this to their children. The parents should be ashamed of themselves while the US taxpayer does everything in its power to keep their deathly Ill child alive. All they had to do is apply for asylum.

Shit like this makes me sick. The US has let in the largest number of immigrants and refugees of any country currently in existence. Be proud we help so many.

A side note: the parent should be the one with no violent criminal history. Failing that they should decide amongst themselves. A child is incapable of bearing such a decision.


fyi it is not illegal to enter the US at any point along the border or by any means in order to claim asylum. Also, due to the efforts of an MD contracted by the Border Patrol, the original agent's decision was reversed the next morning and the family was allowed to stay together in the US until their asylum hearing.
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Postby Duhon » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:43 pm

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Postby Imbalistan » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:45 pm

You actually kind of disgust me with the poll options.

Really.
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Postby Duhon » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:49 pm

There is no option to oust Trump, oust Pence, oust all non-judicial Trump appointees, and oust Mitch McConnell, along with abolishing all border control-related agencies and dissolving all immigration courts then finding depoliticized and decorporatized replacements for them, as well as amending all pertinent US laws so that immigration laws are loosened up considerably and crossing the border is decriminalized.

Consequently, I am laughing -- laughing with fury, laughing with disappointment, laughing with misery, that we cannot treat each other with fucking decency. Fucking. Decency.

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Postby Pacomia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:52 pm

Duhon wrote:There is no option to oust Trump, oust Pence, oust all non-judicial Trump appointees, and oust Mitch McConnell, along with abolishing all border control-related agencies and dissolving all immigration courts then finding depoliticized and decorporatized replacements for them, as well as amending all pertinent US laws so that immigration laws are loosened up considerably and crossing the border is decriminalized.

Consequently, I am laughing -- laughing with fury, laughing with disappointment, laughing with misery, that we cannot treat each other with fucking decency. Fucking. Decency.

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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:52 pm

Duhon wrote:There is no option to oust Trump, oust Pence, oust all non-judicial Trump appointees, and oust Mitch McConnell, along with abolishing all border control-related agencies and dissolving all immigration courts then finding depoliticized and decorporatized replacements for them, as well as amending all pertinent US laws so that immigration laws are loosened up considerably and crossing the border is decriminalized.

Consequently, I am laughing -- laughing with fury, laughing with disappointment, laughing with misery, that we cannot treat each other with fucking decency. Fucking. Decency.

I can literally hear someone's laughs, and it makes me cringe because of how ugly it sounds.

Anyway yeah, I agree. A child should not be separated from their parents, so this is disappointing.

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Postby Duhon » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:57 pm

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:01 pm

Honestly I would, not that I could make such a decision at 3 years old, be ok with everyone going back to Mexico, I'd imagine the case is such that they'd be cared for if only by charities and human rights institutions.

However this question should not be asked of a three year old.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:45 pm

Can we just take a second to talk about how anally retentive the US is about border security?

I got bored and decided to take a trip through google maps, and I decided to tour the US' 2 exclaves in/near Canada (Not counting Alaska) and Derby/Standstead, and honestly, it's fucking stupid. You have places that only have like, 200 people living there, and there are still border security checkpoints and officers keeping watch of the place, and neighbors are literally not allowed to cross the street and visit each other in some places because they'd be stepping into the country and having their door knocked down by border security agents. Hell, some people aren't even allowed to use their backyards without checking with border security because part of their yard is in the other country (And they have camera's watching your yard, so don't think you can sneak around on your private property).

It's even worse with Mexico, because there's are entire cities split down the boarder, even though they're effectively the same on either side of the boarder.

God I wish the US would get it's shit together and learn to relax about these kinds of things, because it's ridiculous at best. Boarder security, immigration, asylum seekers, etc.. seriously needs to be looked at and reformed.
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Postby Bread Herbert » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:03 pm

Sad, yes. But, America has it's own problems and should look after its own people first.

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Postby Duhon » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:10 pm

Bread Herbert wrote:Sad, yes. But, America has it's own problems and should look after its own people first.


And we do this by traumatizing toddlers and torturing the rest, preferably both.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:14 pm

Duhon wrote:
Bread Herbert wrote:Sad, yes. But, America has it's own problems and should look after its own people first.


And we do this by traumatizing toddlers and torturing the rest, preferably both.

Also, America's track record of looking after its own it abysmal to begin with. Why shouldn't the US help those not of its own? They'll probably get treated better than US citizens, honestly.
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Postby Bread Herbert » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:22 pm

Duhon wrote:
Bread Herbert wrote:Sad, yes. But, America has it's own problems and should look after its own people first.


And we do this by traumatizing toddlers and torturing the rest, preferably both.


Well it's their own parents fault for putting them through this. I am glad that the Americans are finally enforcing their immigration laws.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:24 pm

Bread Herbert wrote:
Duhon wrote:
And we do this by traumatizing toddlers and torturing the rest, preferably both.


Well it's their own parents fault for putting them through this. I am glad that the Americans are finally enforcing their immigration laws.

They legally applied for asylum, they did nothing wrong nor illegal.

So you support creating a demographic of Americans who are physically and mentally held back compared to their peers because the US stuck them in concentration camps and separated them from their parents, who came to legally apply for asylum? Good to know where you stand.
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Postby Bread Herbert » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:26 pm

New haven america wrote:
Bread Herbert wrote:
Well it's their own parents fault for putting them through this. I am glad that the Americans are finally enforcing their immigration laws.

They legally applied for asylum, they did nothing wrong nor illegal.

So you support creating a demographic of Americans who are physically and mentally held back compared to their peers because the US stuck them in concentration camps and separated them from their parents, who came to legally apply for asylum? Good to know where you stand.


They are not concentration camps.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:28 pm

Bread Herbert wrote:
New haven america wrote:They legally applied for asylum, they did nothing wrong nor illegal.

So you support creating a demographic of Americans who are physically and mentally held back compared to their peers because the US stuck them in concentration camps and separated them from their parents, who came to legally apply for asylum? Good to know where you stand.


They are not concentration camps.

What do you call detention centers that house a large and concentrated number of people who have committed no crimes but are treated as if they have? Oh yeah! Concentration Camps.

Thank you for showing your support of them, really paints a nice picture of you.
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Postby Duhon » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:29 pm

Bread Herbert wrote:
Duhon wrote:
And we do this by traumatizing toddlers and torturing the rest, preferably both.


Well it's their own parents fault for putting them through this. I am glad that the Americans are finally enforcing their immigration laws.


"Well it's their parent's fault they didn't just kill them in their home countries instead of bringing them here just so we can kill them or at least turn their brains to traumatised mush for life."

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Postby Bread Herbert » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:30 pm

New haven america wrote:
Bread Herbert wrote:
They are not concentration camps.

What do you call detention centers that house a large and concentrated number of people who have committed no crimes but are treated as if they have? Oh yeah! Concentration Camps.

Thank you for showing your support of them, really paints a nice picture of you.


It's not like they are being imprisoned. They went there by choice and are free to leave any time they want. The Jews had no such privilege in Nazi Germany. Plus, no one is being systematically exterminated.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:32 pm

Bread Herbert wrote:
New haven america wrote:What do you call detention centers that house a large and concentrated number of people who have committed no crimes but are treated as if they have? Oh yeah! Concentration Camps.

Thank you for showing your support of them, really paints a nice picture of you.


1. It's not like they are being imprisoned. 2. They went there by choice and are free to leave any time they want. 3. The Jews had no such privilege in Nazi Germany. 4. Plus, no one is being systematically exterminated.

1. Yes they are
2. No they're not
3. Neither do the people in the US' concentration camps
4. No, it's just that American children who were born in those camps are having the physical and mental selves being turned into traumatized mush without the ability to speak, walk, etc... We're much more humane! (Also, I would not be surprised if boarder agents started firing on their prisoners)
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