by Geneviev » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:24 pm
by Kowani » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:39 pm
by Pacomia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:42 pm
by Heraswed » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:42 pm
Hebrews 11:1: "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen."
by Geneviev » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:46 pm
Heraswed wrote:Hebrews 11:1: "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen."
The Bible defines faith as belief in what you cannot prove, this is a contemptible idea as it teaches us to be satisfied with not knowing facts of our universe and life. We should not encourage it and should instead encourage curiosity and an unquenchable thirst for knowledge.
Even without this, optimism is not necessarily a good thing. Going along on blind faith that 'God will sort out my troubles' discourages people from taking active steps that may be necessary. I've been a pessimist and a cynic for a good part of my life, and I firmly believe that optimism can lead to complacency, complacency is the enemy of success and as such to avoid complacency is a good thing.
by Kowani » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:48 pm
Geneviev wrote:Heraswed wrote:
The Bible defines faith as belief in what you cannot prove, this is a contemptible idea as it teaches us to be satisfied with not knowing facts of our universe and life. We should not encourage it and should instead encourage curiosity and an unquenchable thirst for knowledge.
Even without this, optimism is not necessarily a good thing. Going along on blind faith that 'God will sort out my troubles' discourages people from taking active steps that may be necessary. I've been a pessimist and a cynic for a good part of my life, and I firmly believe that optimism can lead to complacency, complacency is the enemy of success and as such to avoid complacency is a good thing.
Faith also encourages us to study the world and find answers to better understand God. Having hope that God is with you allows people to work to improve their lives because they have a better chance of being successful.
by Dooom35796821595 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:49 pm
Geneviev wrote:Heraswed wrote:
The Bible defines faith as belief in what you cannot prove, this is a contemptible idea as it teaches us to be satisfied with not knowing facts of our universe and life. We should not encourage it and should instead encourage curiosity and an unquenchable thirst for knowledge.
Even without this, optimism is not necessarily a good thing. Going along on blind faith that 'God will sort out my troubles' discourages people from taking active steps that may be necessary. I've been a pessimist and a cynic for a good part of my life, and I firmly believe that optimism can lead to complacency, complacency is the enemy of success and as such to avoid complacency is a good thing.
Faith also encourages us to study the world and find answers to better understand God. Having hope that God is with you allows people to work to improve their lives because they have a better chance of being successful.
by The Sherpa Empire » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:51 pm
by Wanasnaswan Archives » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:52 pm
by Geneviev » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:53 pm
Kowani wrote:Geneviev wrote:Faith also encourages us to study the world and find answers to better understand God. Having hope that God is with you allows people to work to improve their lives because they have a better chance of being successful.
Or, alternatively, to sit around waiting for God to help them.
by Dooom35796821595 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:54 pm
Geneviev wrote:Kowani wrote:Or, alternatively, to sit around waiting for God to help them.
That wouldn't be Christian.Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Have any evidence to back up that claim?
There's this.
by Kyoki Chudoku » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:55 pm
by Kowani » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:55 pm
Geneviev wrote:Kowani wrote:Or, alternatively, to sit around waiting for God to help them.
That wouldn't be Christian.Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Have any evidence to back up that claim?
There's this.
by Geneviev » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:55 pm
by Kannap » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:55 pm
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by Pacomia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:55 pm
Geneviev wrote:Heraswed wrote:
The Bible defines faith as belief in what you cannot prove, this is a contemptible idea as it teaches us to be satisfied with not knowing facts of our universe and life. We should not encourage it and should instead encourage curiosity and an unquenchable thirst for knowledge.
Even without this, optimism is not necessarily a good thing. Going along on blind faith that 'God will sort out my troubles' discourages people from taking active steps that may be necessary. I've been a pessimist and a cynic for a good part of my life, and I firmly believe that optimism can lead to complacency, complacency is the enemy of success and as such to avoid complacency is a good thing.
Faith also encourages us to study the world and find answers to better understand God. Having hope that God is with you allows people to work to improve their lives because they have a better chance of being successful.
by Dooom35796821595 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:57 pm
by Geneviev » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:58 pm
Kyoki Chudoku wrote:Optimism can be good to have. It can eliminate sadness to an extent, make one feel better, encourage one to try and do better, and so on. There’s nothing wrong with that, but there’s no reason to necessarily integrate that into faith. Yes, that can be source of optimism, but it can just as easily be a source of terror or anger. As has been mentioned, a reliance on faith to resolve problems rather than taking action is, from my viewpoint at least, effectively equivalent to doing nothing about said problems. And the issue with faith is that, by one definition at least, it deals with that which lacks evidence to prove, so can in many cases be manipulated. That’s not to say that’s the only thing that can be, but as I see it, there’s no reason faith should have any greater place in modern society.
Of course, this is coming from someone with pretty much none of it.
I am curious though what the OP’s perspective is of faith in religions different to their own. Those too, after all, can provide a similar form of happiness for effectively the same reason. Should they also be promoted in that case, given the outlined benefits of faith they propose?
by Pacomia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:59 pm
Kyoki Chudoku wrote:Optimism can be good to have. It can eliminate sadness to an extent, make one feel better, encourage one to try and do better, and so on. There’s nothing wrong with that, but there’s no reason to necessarily integrate that into faith. Yes, that can be source of optimism, but it can just as easily be a source of terror or anger. As has been mentioned, a reliance on faith to resolve problems rather than taking action is, from my viewpoint at least, effectively equivalent to doing nothing about said problems. And the issue with faith is that, by one definition at least, it deals with that which lacks evidence to prove, so can in many cases be manipulated. That’s not to say that’s the only thing that can be, but as I see it, there’s no reason faith should have any greater place in modern society.
Of course, this is coming from someone with pretty much none of it.
I am curious though what the OP’s perspective is of faith in religions different to their own. Those too, after all, can provide a similar form of happiness for effectively the same reason. Should they also be promoted in that case, given the outlined benefits of faith they propose?
by Geneviev » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:00 pm
Pacomia wrote:Geneviev wrote:Faith also encourages us to study the world and find answers to better understand God. Having hope that God is with you allows people to work to improve their lives because they have a better chance of being successful.
Alternatively, it holds people back from actually achieving that success because they feel like they have to follow a strict moral code that conflicts with opportunity because they feel like they have to please God. I’m not saying people should be immoral, but we don’t have any way of knowing that the religious sense of morality is actually morality. Hell, we don’t even know if God exists.
by Pacomia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:01 pm
Geneviev wrote:Pacomia wrote:Alternatively, it holds people back from actually achieving that success because they feel like they have to follow a strict moral code that conflicts with opportunity because they feel like they have to please God. I’m not saying people should be immoral, but we don’t have any way of knowing that the religious sense of morality is actually morality. Hell, we don’t even know if God exists.
That isn't a problem with faith, but with how it's used. Faith shouldn't hold people back.
by Dooom35796821595 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:03 pm
by Skyhooked » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:04 pm
Kowani wrote:To quote Bernard Russel: “The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is to the same point that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.”
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