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Did you celebrate Nathan Bedford Forrest Day?

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I most certainly..

..did! He was a fine military leader and gentleman of the South
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12%
..did! It's the law so I had to
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1%
..did not! I refuse to celebrate this man
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16%
..did not! I'm not even from Tennessee
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26%
..did!..and I'm not even from Tennessee
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3%
..think we should invade the South again
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28%
..think idpol.. if people want to celebrate the 1st Grandmaster of the KKK then so be it
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..think we should click more polls on the subject
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Did you celebrate Nathan Bedford Forrest Day?

Postby Bombadil » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:43 pm

Tennessee's Republican governor, Bill Lee, is facing public backlash after he declared Saturday "Nathan Bedford Forrest Day," continuing a decades-old tradition honoring the Confederate general, slave trader and onetime leader of the Ku Klux Klan.

Under state law, governors are required to recognize Forrest on July 13 as part of one of six "days of special observance" each year. The law also calls for a "Robert E. Lee Day" on January 19, and a "Memorial Day" or "Confederate Decoration Day" on June 3.


Normally it's Alabama or Florida that generate some WTF news but Tennessee does need it's day in the sun.

Even old Grandpa Munster is against this..

Some of the outcry came from members of Lee's own party. On Friday, GOP Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas took to Twitter to condemn the governor's move, calling Forrest "a slave trader & the 1st Grand Wizard of the KKK."

Well if you only focus on the bad parts.. he's actually recognised for being 'an important military leader'.

In his defence..

In remarks on Thursday, Lee said, "I haven't even looked at that law, other than knowing I needed to comply with it, so that's what I did."

Does one need to comply with it, aren't there all sorts of weird laws that no one really pays attention to anymore, and regardless this is 2019.. why is such a law on the books anyway.

Why aren't these laws dropped in this day and age?

Still.. did you celebrate, what are the traditions of Nathan Bedford Forrest Day.. hot cross buns?
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Postby Pere Housh Alpha » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:48 pm

Yes he created the KKK but he was probably the best calvary commander during the Civil War.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:48 pm

Repeal. That’s about it. Repeal the laws celebrating the Confederates.
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Postby Pere Housh Alpha » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:52 pm

Kowani wrote:Repeal. That’s about it. Repeal the laws celebrating the Confederates.

How about we don't. Do you have something against Robert E. Lee?
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Postby ECKU » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:52 pm

Kowani wrote:Repeal. That’s about it. Repeal the laws celebrating the Confederates.

^This. This all the way. La'natullah upon them if they haven't repented.
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Postby Bombadil » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:54 pm

Pere Housh Alpha wrote:Yes he created the KKK but he was probably the best calvary commander during the Civil War.


Captain Pedantic swooped in to save the day..

'cavalry'.. calvary is the place they crucified Jesus.
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Postby Pere Housh Alpha » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:56 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Pere Housh Alpha wrote:Yes he created the KKK but he was probably the best calvary commander during the Civil War.


Captain Pedantic swooped in to save the day..

'cavalry'.. calvary is the place they crucified Jesus.

My bad
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:57 pm

Pere Housh Alpha wrote:
Kowani wrote:Repeal. That’s about it. Repeal the laws celebrating the Confederates.

How about we don't. Do you have something against Robert E. Lee?

What, you mean other then the treason thing?
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Postby Bombadil » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:59 pm

Kowani wrote:Repeal. That’s about it. Repeal the laws celebrating the Confederates.


Surely they could just ignore it, I mean it's apparently illegal to get a fish drunk in Ohio but clearly no one's following that law given the violent ill-tempered bass that constantly roam the streets looking for a fight.

Ideally repeal it but otherwise just ignore it.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:00 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Kowani wrote:Repeal. That’s about it. Repeal the laws celebrating the Confederates.


Surely they could just ignore it, I mean it's apparently illegal to get a fish drunk in Ohio but clearly no one's following that law given the violent ill-tempered bass that constantly roam the streets looking for a fight.

Ideally repeal it but otherwise just ignore it.

Easy to say but then you have the Governor going around proclamating and all.
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Postby Alpes a Septentrionali imperium » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:00 pm

I didn't. I'm also from California and currently living in Nevada, where the most confederate thing we have is Jeff Davis peak, which is about to be renamed to Doso Doyabi soon to disassociate it with the Confederates.
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Postby Pere Housh Alpha » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:03 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Pere Housh Alpha wrote:How about we don't. Do you have something against Robert E. Lee?

What, you mean other then the treason thing?

You do know that had Virginia not left the Union, he would have stayed in the U.S Army. He was loyal to his home state of Virginia so when they joined the CSA, he joined their Army.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:05 pm

Pere Housh Alpha wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:What, you mean other then the treason thing?

You do know that had Virginia not left the Union, he would have stayed in the U.S Army. He was loyal to his home state of Virginia so when they joined the CSA, he joined their Army.

Not all of it.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:07 pm

Pere Housh Alpha wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:What, you mean other then the treason thing?

You do know that had Virginia not left the Union, he would have stayed in the U.S Army. He was loyal to his home state of Virginia so when they joined the CSA, he joined their Army.

Pretty sure the oath he took as a member of the US Army said something about protecting the Constitution of the United States. It may even have mentioned all enemies, foreign and domestic.
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Postby Pere Housh Alpha » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:14 pm

I'm from the South and my family has been here since before Civil War. We owned land but we never owned slaves. You do know that a vast majority of Southerners during and before the Civil War didn't own slaves.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:15 pm

Pere Housh Alpha wrote:I'm from the South and my family has been here since before Civil War. We owned land but we never owned slaves. You do know that a vast majority of Southerners during and before the Civil War didn't own slaves.

Do you have a point?
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:16 pm

Pere Housh Alpha wrote:I'm from the South and my family has been here since before Civil War. We owned land but we never owned slaves. You do know that a vast majority of Southerners during and before the Civil War didn't own slaves.

And nobody claimed otherwise…
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Postby Bombadil » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:18 pm

Pere Housh Alpha wrote:I'm from the South and my family has been here since before Civil War. We owned land but we never owned slaves. You do know that a vast majority of Southerners during and before the Civil War didn't own slaves.


Beto O'Rourke's family did though.. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... SApp_Other

Regardless Forrest basically founded the KKK, he simply shouldn't be celebrated.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:22 pm

He massacred black POW's, why would you want to identify with that?
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Postby ECKU » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:23 pm

Pere Housh Alpha wrote:I'm from the South and my family has been here since before Civil War. We owned land but we never owned slaves. You do know that a vast majority of Southerners during and before the Civil War didn't own slaves.

I have the same question Neanderthaland has. I'm from the south as well, born and raised, still living here. You don't see me going around waving the rebel flag talking about "the south'll rise!".
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Postby Duhon » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:26 pm

Pere Housh Alpha wrote:
Kowani wrote:Repeal. That’s about it. Repeal the laws celebrating the Confederates.

How about we don't. Do you have something against Robert E. Lee?


Yes, namely that he's a Confederate, a supporter of keeping slaves enslaved, free blacks deprived of most rights, and everyone else acquiescing.

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Postby Duhon » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:28 pm

Pere Housh Alpha wrote:I'm from the South and my family has been here since before Civil War. We owned land but we never owned slaves. You do know that a vast majority of Southerners during and before the Civil War didn't own slaves.


And yet your ancestors would not have minded others owning slaves. They certainly didn't mind the reprisals and massacres that happened in the successful effort to end Reconstruction and put in its place eighty-odd years of Jim Crow nonsense.

So why celebrate them, instead of, you know, putting them in their proper, shamefaced perspective?

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Postby Aeritai » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:29 pm

Never heard of the guy before, but judging from the information in the OP. He's not the type of man I would celebrate.
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Postby Wayneactia » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:29 pm

Pere Housh Alpha wrote:I'm from the South and my family has been here since before Civil War. We owned land but we never owned slaves. You do know that a vast majority of Southerners during and before the Civil War didn't own slaves.


And even if they did, who gives a shit? How many generations need to be punished for the actions of a minority over 200 years ago? Move the fuck on. I mean if France and Germany can become close allies after what Germany did to France in both WW1 and WW2, surely the whole North South thing can finally croak and american can finally move the hell forward.

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So why celebrate them, instead of, you know, putting them in their proper, shamefaced perspective?


And what would it achieve? Hmm? If it turns out something you believe in and seems natural to you, turns out to be morally reprehensible 200 years from now, does that mean your decedents should shame you?
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:30 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Pere Housh Alpha wrote:I'm from the South and my family has been here since before Civil War. We owned land but we never owned slaves. You do know that a vast majority of Southerners during and before the Civil War didn't own slaves.


And even if they did, who gives a shit? How many generations need to be punished for the actions of a minority over 200 years ago? Move the fuck on. I mean if France and Germany can become close allies after what Germany did to France in both WW1 and WW2, surely the whole North South thing can finally croak and american can finally move the hell forward.

Sure, just stop shoving your Confederate flags and ancestors in our faces while yelling about heritage. Simple, really.
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