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[R] Flaming in GA At-vote

Postby Kenmoria » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:02 pm

Scherzinger wrote:OOC: Separatist, i truly think you are an idiot
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=35930851#p35930851

To me, Scherzinger’s comment appears to be flaming, especially given the OOC tag.

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Novo Abrahamia wrote:Only a demonized brain would launch that issue. it's sick and ungodly. An insult to our Lord and Savior.

In Novo Abrahamia "transgenderness" is treated as a mental illness. No matter that the WA decides it's gonna stay that way.
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=466489&p=35930873#p35930873

Even though this could be IC, implying that the author is a “demonised brain” doesn’t seem acceptable.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:12 pm

For the "you are an idiot" remark, viewtopic.php?p=35931561#p35931561

For the other one, I yelled at him, him being new and the post not being labeled IC or OOC.
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Postby Araraukar » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:18 am

Lamebrainia wrote:People are seriously voting for this? I don't even want to go into ridiculing affordable treatments for mentally ill people (yes, "gender dysphoria" is a mental illness, despite what the resolution says), but one of the statements in the resolution is a blatant, unscientific lie: "gender non-binary people are real". No, they're not. Yeah, sure, their condition is subjectively real for them, but it doesn't mean said reality should be forced onto others. I mean, I might be hearing animals talk to me, but it doesn't mean that the government should subsidise a place for me in the zoo, where I can exhibit my imaginary skill. I haven't commented on any other resolutions before, but this one was so ridiculous I even had to step out of character.

They even admit to being out of character.

Lamebrainia wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: I am a non-binary transmale and I have a gender diagnosis to prove it. Anyone claiming that is not a real thing, can feel free to take it up with the Real Life state of Finland. Also, unless you have an official paper declaring your gender - not your sex - why should I believe you claiming to be what you are?
So cancer spread from Sweden to Finland? :D
Ok, I identify as a 65-year-old sphynx cat, there's bound to be a place on this planet which will recognise me and pay for my permanent hair removal operation.

As a reply to an OOC post, that can't be anything but OOC.



Technically IC, but still very inflammatory:
Deuctland wrote:THIS IDEA IS PREPOSTEROUS! All people who are resident of a country should have to register as a man or woman, otherwise thay are an animal and should be treated as such.

The Eternal Kawaii wrote:This proposal is based on a false premise, as the ambassador from Tunis Algeris correctly points out. "Gender dysphoria" is a mental illness by definition. If a person has a healthy, unflawed set of sexual organs, but their mind tells them that they're of the wrong sort, then the only logical conclusion that can be drawn is that the person's mind is flawed.

Hatterleigh wrote:How can you know if someone is truly undergoing gender dysphoria, and is not just undergoing hormone therapy as a result of trauma, non-G.D. related mental health issues, sexual deviance, or any sort of outside influence?

Also, if it's a mental condition and it needs to be treated with unorthodox means, lest the individual suffer psychological issues, then it is a mental illness.

Fushiya wrote:Though we are new to these halls and but a small nation, we cannot condone such absurdities that go against nature.
Our progressive scheme of corrective surgery upon those who chose to repent against this phenomenon has proven to be quite positive.
We are but a happy few who like it to be kept as what we were granted since the Beginning.

Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:Men naturally have testosterone. Women have estrogen. But you cannot switch the two between the sexes.
This is an abomination for which I will not stand. It is a twisting of nature and, just because someone feels they belong to another gender, doesn't mean that they do. By this argument, I could just as well say that, because I believe I am God, that I am God. It's foolishness.

Kolm wrote:Nobody's going to point out that no substantial evidence to support the extraordinary claim that transgender people are the gender to which they claim to be? Any difference in the brain to what it is supposed to be automatically must be classified as a mental DISORDER. We must treat it as such, and not as a real, perceivable thing that allows transgender people to believe they really are the gender to which they claim to be. I once had a conversation with another person that said "Genderfluid people exist because they say genderfluid exists," which is a terrible mindset and ideologues like that will lead to the inevitable disunity of the WA.

Thorackistan wrote:IC: "The Supreme Dictator fails to see how people of this sort should be getting medication that is NOT for the treatment of psychosis. We do not tolerate these ideas in Thorackistan. We have a healthcare system that provides psychotherapies and medications for the treatment of such diseases. :ugeek: "


Not sure if this is IC or OOC:
A Cornstar wrote:Gender is the new fursona. I'll ignore it because it's a. not real, and b. totes gross. Given sex is not gender it can and should be regulated by different standards. I'd just as soon accept AIDS burgers for school lunches as I would "reassignment"(Bahometism)

WEPA wrote:Why are we trying to normalize this mental disorder instead of trying help those with it?

West Phoenicia wrote:West Phoenicia will be opposing this bill.

1.Transgender and gender non-binary people are real.

If someone wants to be a panda bear and thinks they are. It doesn't make them one. Gender non-binary insults male and female.

One can be male or female, we are not all cut from the same cookie cutter. A boy can have lo g hair or short hair, a six pack or a keg. Choose to wear make up or not. They are still male.

Females can be more feminine or masculine, etc still makes them female.

Stop this merry go round nonsense.


Reason I'm reporting all these is because this is what we're asked to do for inflammatory posts, rather than reply in an angry/insulting manner. If they're not actionable, that's Moderation's decision; I'm reporting them because they read like flamebait to me, but I know I'm biased because I'm trans myself.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:06 am

Araraukar wrote:
Lamebrainia wrote:People are seriously voting for this? I don't even want to go into ridiculing affordable treatments for mentally ill people (yes, "gender dysphoria" is a mental illness, despite what the resolution says), but one of the statements in the resolution is a blatant, unscientific lie: "gender non-binary people are real". No, they're not. Yeah, sure, their condition is subjectively real for them, but it doesn't mean said reality should be forced onto others. I mean, I might be hearing animals talk to me, but it doesn't mean that the government should subsidise a place for me in the zoo, where I can exhibit my imaginary skill. I haven't commented on any other resolutions before, but this one was so ridiculous I even had to step out of character.

They even admit to being out of character.

Lamebrainia wrote:So cancer spread from Sweden to Finland? :D
Ok, I identify as a 65-year-old sphynx cat, there's bound to be a place on this planet which will recognise me and pay for my permanent hair removal operation.

As a reply to an OOC post, that can't be anything but OOC.



Technically IC, but still very inflammatory:
Deuctland wrote:THIS IDEA IS PREPOSTEROUS! All people who are resident of a country should have to register as a man or woman, otherwise thay are an animal and should be treated as such.

The Eternal Kawaii wrote:This proposal is based on a false premise, as the ambassador from Tunis Algeris correctly points out. "Gender dysphoria" is a mental illness by definition. If a person has a healthy, unflawed set of sexual organs, but their mind tells them that they're of the wrong sort, then the only logical conclusion that can be drawn is that the person's mind is flawed.

Hatterleigh wrote:How can you know if someone is truly undergoing gender dysphoria, and is not just undergoing hormone therapy as a result of trauma, non-G.D. related mental health issues, sexual deviance, or any sort of outside influence?

Also, if it's a mental condition and it needs to be treated with unorthodox means, lest the individual suffer psychological issues, then it is a mental illness.

Fushiya wrote:Though we are new to these halls and but a small nation, we cannot condone such absurdities that go against nature.
Our progressive scheme of corrective surgery upon those who chose to repent against this phenomenon has proven to be quite positive.
We are but a happy few who like it to be kept as what we were granted since the Beginning.

Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:Men naturally have testosterone. Women have estrogen. But you cannot switch the two between the sexes.
This is an abomination for which I will not stand. It is a twisting of nature and, just because someone feels they belong to another gender, doesn't mean that they do. By this argument, I could just as well say that, because I believe I am God, that I am God. It's foolishness.

Kolm wrote:Nobody's going to point out that no substantial evidence to support the extraordinary claim that transgender people are the gender to which they claim to be? Any difference in the brain to what it is supposed to be automatically must be classified as a mental DISORDER. We must treat it as such, and not as a real, perceivable thing that allows transgender people to believe they really are the gender to which they claim to be. I once had a conversation with another person that said "Genderfluid people exist because they say genderfluid exists," which is a terrible mindset and ideologues like that will lead to the inevitable disunity of the WA.

Thorackistan wrote:IC: "The Supreme Dictator fails to see how people of this sort should be getting medication that is NOT for the treatment of psychosis. We do not tolerate these ideas in Thorackistan. We have a healthcare system that provides psychotherapies and medications for the treatment of such diseases. :ugeek: "


Not sure if this is IC or OOC:
A Cornstar wrote:Gender is the new fursona. I'll ignore it because it's a. not real, and b. totes gross. Given sex is not gender it can and should be regulated by different standards. I'd just as soon accept AIDS burgers for school lunches as I would "reassignment"(Bahometism)

WEPA wrote:Why are we trying to normalize this mental disorder instead of trying help those with it?

West Phoenicia wrote:West Phoenicia will be opposing this bill.

1.Transgender and gender non-binary people are real.

If someone wants to be a panda bear and thinks they are. It doesn't make them one. Gender non-binary insults male and female.

One can be male or female, we are not all cut from the same cookie cutter. A boy can have lo g hair or short hair, a six pack or a keg. Choose to wear make up or not. They are still male.

Females can be more feminine or masculine, etc still makes them female.

Stop this merry go round nonsense.


Reason I'm reporting all these is because this is what we're asked to do for inflammatory posts, rather than reply in an angry/insulting manner. If they're not actionable, that's Moderation's decision; I'm reporting them because they read like flamebait to me, but I know I'm biased because I'm trans myself.

For Lamebrainia's posts: viewtopic.php?p=35934960#p35934960

As for the rest of them, yes, inflammatory but being IC, I don't see a clear way to penalizing them. It's a controversial subject and making it the center of WA legislation increases that several fold. I will call for another opinion but I don't think those posts are actionable.
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Postby Morover » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:29 am

I was going to refrain from reporting this one, because I wasn't entirely sure if it was actionable and didn't want to make a frivolous thread. Since there's already a thread made for that GA thread, I'll go ahead and post it. I've put the part I think is actionable in blue.

Gender is the new fursona. I'll ignore it because it's a. not real, and b. totes gross. Given sex is not gender it can and should be regulated by different standards. I'd just as soon accept AIDS burgers for school lunches as I would "reassignment"(Bahometism)
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:56 am

Morover wrote:I was going to refrain from reporting this one, because I wasn't entirely sure if it was actionable and didn't want to make a frivolous thread. Since there's already a thread made for that GA thread, I'll go ahead and post it. I've put the part I think is actionable in blue.

Gender is the new fursona. I'll ignore it because it's a. not real, and b. totes gross. Given sex is not gender it can and should be regulated by different standards. I'd just as soon accept AIDS burgers for school lunches as I would "reassignment"(Bahometism)

Except it was already reported in the post immediately above yours.
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Postby Morover » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:25 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Morover wrote:I was going to refrain from reporting this one, because I wasn't entirely sure if it was actionable and didn't want to make a frivolous thread. Since there's already a thread made for that GA thread, I'll go ahead and post it. I've put the part I think is actionable in blue.


Except it was already reported in the post immediately above yours.

:oops: I even read through those and missed the only one relevant to what I was doing. Sorry!

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Postby Araraukar » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:37 am

Scorpions Army wrote:So if a nation disagrees with this 'transgender' stuff, we have no say?

What else will these people force us to conform to? "Murder all infants because babies are gross", "All *insert race here* must be enslaved or murdered", or "No military for any nation, because peace". Nationstates has become way to lopsided recently, its kind of sad

Clearly an OOC post even if missing the tag.

Edit: Not even asking them to get a proper RedTextTM warning, but could a mod please loom on the thread, maybe, or something like that?
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Postby Jakker » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:02 pm

I addressed the posts that I thought went over the line: viewtopic.php?p=35939906#p35939906

I did also add a note for the rest of the thread. We will continue to keep any eye out.
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Postby Araraukar » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:09 pm

Thank you.
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