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UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

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What is your favoured form of brexit?

Mays deal
28
5%
EFTA
36
6%
Some other sort of deal (please elaborate in the comments)
24
4%
Mays deal without Irish backstop
9
2%
No deal
132
23%
No deal+ (no deal minus NI and Scotland)
20
4%
I want a second referendum
208
37%
Revoke article 50 without even calling a referendum
105
19%
 
Total votes : 562

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UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:05 am

Successor state of
this thread
Come one, come all, and welcome to the big Brexit bash!
Refreshments shall include premium British ale and gin, in order to wash down a delightful dish of delicious delecacies, such as (chlorinated) chicken pie, (protein-fed) beef steak, and (mystery) meat curries.

The first poll will concern the most pressing issue of the day, the tory leadership election. Will the peoples prime minister Boris Johnson win out against the managerial, boring Jeremy Hunt? Lets find out as we embark on round 10 of UK politics: what fun will be had?

((going out soon but thought I'd create this. I'll edit in a proper debate question and opinion later, but it's the 10th iteration of the UK politics thread, obviously.))
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:11 am

Who's gonna vote for Boris though? I thought everybody hated him.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:11 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Who's gonna vote for Boris though? I thought everybody hated him.

He'll get a lot of votes back from the Brexit party.

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Postby Kowani » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:12 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Who's gonna vote for Boris though? I thought everybody hated him.

Everyone on NSG. For those who support the Brexit Delusion, though…
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:13 am

You need to fix the capitalization in the thread title, and it's helpful to have links to the previous thread iterations in the OP.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:14 am

The New California Republic wrote:You need to fix the capitalization in the thread title, and it's helpful to have links to the previous thread iterations in the OP.

Sorry, will do now

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:15 am

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Who's gonna vote for Boris though? I thought everybody hated him.

Everyone on NSG. For those who support the Brexit Delusion, though…

From what I can see, even most Brexiteers hate him.
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I'm an 18 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:16 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:Everyone on NSG. For those who support the Brexit Delusion, though…

From what I can see, even most Brexiteers hate him.

I think it's more that we don't trust him.

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Postby Domina Nostra Nova Terra » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:19 am

Would prefer a "none please King Francis save this cursed kingdom" option.

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Postby Philjia » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:39 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Who's gonna vote for Boris though? I thought everybody hated him.

A lot of people love Boris for some reason.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:54 am

Philjia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Who's gonna vote for Boris though? I thought everybody hated him.

A lot of people love Boris for some reason.

He's a clown.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:11 am

The trial of former First Minister Alex Salmond on multiple charges of attempted rape and sexual assault will not begin until late January at the earliest, BBC Scotland has learned.

Mr Salmond was charged with a total of 14 offences on 24 January this year.

They include two charges of attempted rape, nine of sexual assault, two of indecent assault and a breach of the peace.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... s-48966815

Those wheels of justice turn slowly. :roll:
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Eh. I'd be down with an all round amnesty for shit during the Troubles.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:17 am

Ifreann wrote:
Philjia wrote:A lot of people love Boris for some reason.

He's a clown.


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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:37 am

Fartsniffage wrote:


Eh. I'd be down with an all round amnesty for shit during the Troubles.

If republican and loyalist paramilitaries had to go to prison for the shit they did, british soldiers should not be allowed off Scot free. And before anyone brings up the pardons and amnesty at the end of the troubles, at least the paramilitaries served sentences, and there was a semblance of justice for the families of their victims, where there has been none at all for people who lost loved ones in murders committed by the british army and RUC. Also paramilitaries afterwards have still went to prison for their crimes that were previously unknown or lacked evidence to prosecute them for it, or for new crimes they committed. The majority of legacy cases being investigated in NI by the way have been directed at paramilitaries.

The National army of a sovereign state should be held to higher standards than a bunch of terrorists and guerrilla fighters, especially when said army has had a comically small amount of cases made against its members for their crimes in NI. If they are found guilty, british soldiers should go to jail, i dont give a damn if they are old men.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:40 am

There should be more poll options for the thread, i.e:

"I dont want Johnson or Hunt to win, but i think X will win"
etc
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:44 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:There should be more poll options for the thread, i.e:

"I dont want Johnson or Hunt to win, but i think X will win"
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I propose "Giant Meteor 2020". <.>

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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:45 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Eh. I'd be down with an all round amnesty for shit during the Troubles.

If republican and loyalist paramilitaries had to go to prison for the shit they did, british soldiers should not be allowed off Scot free. And before anyone brings up the pardons and amnesty at the end of the troubles, at least the paramilitaries served sentences, and there was a semblance of justice for the families of their victims, where there has been none at all for people who lost loved ones in murders committed by the british army and RUC. Also paramilitaries afterwards have still went to prison for their crimes that were previously unknown or lacked evidence to prosecute them for it, or for new crimes they committed. The majority of legacy cases being investigated in NI by the way have been directed at paramilitaries.

The National army of a sovereign state should be held to higher standards than a bunch of terrorists and guerrilla fighters, especially when said army has had a comically small amount of cases made against its members for their crimes in NI. If they are found guilty, british soldiers should go to jail, i dont give a damn if they are old men.


And I think it should all be stopped and those prosecuted since the GFA released. This isn't about protecting British squaddies for me, the GFA should have just scored a line under the whole thing but it didn't and here we are 20 years later still arguing about it.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:46 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:There should be more poll options for the thread, i.e:

"I dont want Johnson or Hunt to win, but i think X will win"
etc

I propose "Giant Meteor 2020". <.>

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:49 am

Some gobshite: "One of the best things I've seen recently is the idea that you don't go to Brussels but you go instead to Dublin, and you literally do a deal with the Irish, whether you bribe them or threaten them, one way or the other, to get them in a position where they're the ones who drop the opposition to the backstop and that enables the Europeans to do so."

*checks notes*

Sorry, that's not "some gobshite", that's Alan Mendoza, founder of conservative think tank The Henry Jackson Society, a doctor of history, and patent gobshite.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:52 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:If republican and loyalist paramilitaries had to go to prison for the shit they did, british soldiers should not be allowed off Scot free. And before anyone brings up the pardons and amnesty at the end of the troubles, at least the paramilitaries served sentences, and there was a semblance of justice for the families of their victims, where there has been none at all for people who lost loved ones in murders committed by the british army and RUC. Also paramilitaries afterwards have still went to prison for their crimes that were previously unknown or lacked evidence to prosecute them for it, or for new crimes they committed. The majority of legacy cases being investigated in NI by the way have been directed at paramilitaries.

The National army of a sovereign state should be held to higher standards than a bunch of terrorists and guerrilla fighters, especially when said army has had a comically small amount of cases made against its members for their crimes in NI. If they are found guilty, british soldiers should go to jail, i dont give a damn if they are old men.


And I think it should all be stopped and those prosecuted since the GFA released. This isn't about protecting British squaddies for me, the GFA should have just scored a line under the whole thing but it didn't and here we are 20 years later still arguing about it.

I get that, i do. But i still think they should face justice for what they did. The soldiers being investigated for bloody sunday were promised immunity from legal action by the saville inquiry if they told the truth, and this applied to all witnesses that came forward. They didnt.


Anyway i wont go on a rant about this again, you all know my feelings on the matter.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:52 am

Ifreann wrote:Some gobshite: "One of the best things I've seen recently is the idea that you don't go to Brussels but you go instead to Dublin, and you literally do a deal with the Irish, whether you bribe them or threaten them, one way or the other, to get them in a position where they're the ones who drop the opposition to the backstop and that enables the Europeans to do so."

*checks notes*

Sorry, that's not "some gobshite", that's Alan Mendoza, founder of conservative think tank The Henry Jackson Society, a doctor of history, and patent gobshite.

Remind me again how long the Tory Party has been wholly disconnected to reality? <.<

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:52 am

Ifreann wrote:Some gobshite: "One of the best things I've seen recently is the idea that you don't go to Brussels but you go instead to Dublin, and you literally do a deal with the Irish, whether you bribe them or threaten them, one way or the other, to get them in a position where they're the ones who drop the opposition to the backstop and that enables the Europeans to do so."

*checks notes*

Sorry, that's not "some gobshite", that's Alan Mendoza, founder of conservative think tank The Henry Jackson Society, a doctor of history, and patent gobshite.

So it's less "think" and more "tank"...
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:55 am

Ifreann wrote:Some gobshite: "One of the best things I've seen recently is the idea that you don't go to Brussels but you go instead to Dublin, and you literally do a deal with the Irish, whether you bribe them or threaten them, one way or the other, to get them in a position where they're the ones who drop the opposition to the backstop and that enables the Europeans to do so."

*checks notes*

Sorry, that's not "some gobshite", that's Alan Mendoza, founder of conservative think tank The Henry Jackson Society, a doctor of history, and patent gobshite.

Anyone surprised by this clearly was not paying attention when Pritti Patel brought up the idea of threatening Ireland with food shortages some months back if ireland didnt play ball.


Twat failed to realise ireland is more self sufficient on food than the UK is, also lol at an indian british woman suggesting using famine as a tool to get what you want
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