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Acceptance of Gay Sex Declines in the UK

Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:42 pm

1/3 disapprove

"The finding, based on a survey of 2,884 people, coincided with the first dip in more than a decade in people saying they think sex before marriage is not at all wrong, with people from non-Christian religious groups the most likely to disapprove."

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ids-crisis

What do you take from this? I think it means the UK must reevaluate the uniformity of what was taken for granted. What defines being British. I don't feel either positive or negative about this I just think it has to be kept in mind and that culture changes.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:44 pm

Sounds like Britain needs to be liberated.
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Conserative Morality wrote:Sounds like Britain needs to be liberated.

What do you mean?
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Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Tristainland » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:47 pm

This probably mostly because of Muslim immigration.

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Postby Othelos » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:49 pm

It's a relatively small dip (looks like maybe 3%) and doesn't mean that the general trend of rising acceptance is changing
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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:49 pm

Turns out, letting a bunch of bigotted twats have partial control over the government, and having a different bunch of bigotted twats drag us all off a cliff to fuel their bigotry makes bigots come out of the woodwork. What a fucking surprise.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:52 pm

Salandriagado wrote:Turns out, letting a bunch of bigotted twats have partial control over the government, and having a different bunch of bigotted twats drag us all off a cliff to fuel their bigotry makes bigots come out of the woodwork. What a fucking surprise.


My gay brother is a GP in a very Muslim area of Birmingham. They love him. I wonder if that would change if they found out he was a terrible gay. :D

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:53 pm

From the article:
The finding, based on a survey of 2,884 people, coincided with the first dip in more than a decade in people saying they think sex before marriage is not at all wrong, with people from non-Christian religious groups the most likely to disapprove.

Religious and politically conservative groups have been increasingly vocal in their resistance to social liberalism. This week, parents at Parkfield community school in Saltley, Birmingham, restarted protests over the teaching of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender issues in schools, arguing the lessons are inconsistent with their understanding of Islam.

It'll be Islamic attitudes towards it that is skewing the statistics, and the emboldened reactionary far-right that has emerged in recent years.
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:54 pm

This is hardly a surprise. The UK has a lot of immigrants and a fair amount of them come from places where homosexuality is hated, if not outright illegal. That said, I'm also not keen to read too much into surveys.
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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:56 pm

The article itself said further study is needed to know if this is statistically significant...
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:58 pm

Othelos wrote:It's a relatively small dip (looks like maybe 3%) and doesn't mean that the general trend of rising acceptance is changing


Yup, it's a movement that's well within the margin of error.
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Postby Tristainland » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:58 pm

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Salandriagado wrote:Turns out, letting a bunch of bigotted twats have partial control over the government, and having a different bunch of bigotted twats drag us all off a cliff to fuel their bigotry makes bigots come out of the woodwork. What a fucking surprise.


My gay brother is a GP in a very Muslim area of Birmingham. They love him. I wonder if that would change if they found out he was a terrible gay. :D


It might be best he keep it to himself :\ A friend of a friend who is gay got beaten up by Muslims when they found out about his homosexuality. And this was in Canada.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:58 pm

Tristainland wrote:This probably mostly because of Muslim immigration.


Actual sources needed. Not just your personal racism.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:59 pm

Islam.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:00 pm

Tristainland wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
My gay brother is a GP in a very Muslim area of Birmingham. They love him. I wonder if that would change if they found out he was a terrible gay. :D


It might be best he keep it to himself :\ A friend of a friend who is gay got beaten up by Muslims when they found out about his homosexuality. And this was in Canada.


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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:00 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Islam.


Gonna need an actual source for that being the cause of a within-MOE shift.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:02 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Tristainland wrote:This probably mostly because of Muslim immigration.


Actual sources needed. Not just your personal racism.


"with people from non-Christian religious groups the most likely to disapprove."

What other non-Christian religious group would be most likely to disapprove of gay sex Vass? The Pastafarians?
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:03 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Tristainland wrote:This probably mostly because of Muslim immigration.


Actual sources needed. Not just your personal racism.

Muslims aren't a race.

It's also not unreasonable to assume that immigrants from Muslim dominated, third world countries likely hold anti-gay opinions. It's just as reasonable as thinking Christian immigrants from third world countries would likely hold anti-gay beliefs.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:04 pm

Vassenor wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Islam.


Gonna need an actual source for that being the cause of a within-MOE shift.

Who else would it be? The article explains that non-christians are mostly responsible for the decline. Let's not ignore that it is probably due to Islam just because Muslims happen to be mostly brown.
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:05 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Actual sources needed. Not just your personal racism.


"with people from non-Christian religious groups the most likely to disapprove."

What other non-Christian religious group would be most likely to disapprove of gay sex Vass? The Pastafarians?

Some Buddhists and Hindus might not tolerate homosexuality, I guess. And Conservative Jews.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:07 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Gonna need an actual source for that being the cause of a within-MOE shift.

Who else would it be? The article explains that non-christians are mostly responsible for the decline. Let's not ignore that it is probably due to Islam just because Muslims happen to be mostly brown.


Or let's not jump to conclusions because a year on year study reported a change within its own admitted margin of error.
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Postby Othelos » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:08 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
"with people from non-Christian religious groups the most likely to disapprove."

What other non-Christian religious group would be most likely to disapprove of gay sex Vass? The Pastafarians?

Some Buddhists and Hindus might not tolerate homosexuality, I guess. And Conservative Jews.

Well the Dalai Lama condemned homophobia. I know in the US, Buddhists have a high rate of acceptance. I don't imagine Buddhists in Britain being that much different

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Vassenor wrote:
Actual sources needed. Not just your personal racism.


"with people from non-Christian religious groups the most likely to disapprove."

What other non-Christian religious group would be most likely to disapprove of gay sex Vass? The Pastafarians?


So we're jumping to conclusions because a year on year study reported a change within its own margin of error then.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:10 pm

Vassenor wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Who else would it be? The article explains that non-christians are mostly responsible for the decline. Let's not ignore that it is probably due to Islam just because Muslims happen to be mostly brown.


Or let's not jump to conclusions because a year on year study reported a change within its own admitted margin of error.


UMN gave you polling the other day showing a solid half of the Muslim population in your nation is opposed to this sort of stuff lol. You're white knighting for people who statistically are split 50-50 on whether you being out of the closet should be legal. How does that not bother you?
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:12 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Or let's not jump to conclusions because a year on year study reported a change within its own admitted margin of error.


UMN gave you polling the other day showing a solid half of the Muslim population in your nation is opposed to this sort of stuff lol. You're white knighting for people who statistically are split 50-50 on whether you being out of the closet should be legal. How does that not bother you?

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