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Should pit bulls be regulated or banned?

Postby Crockerland » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:22 am

https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2018.php
36 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2018. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 900 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 72% (26) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 7% of the total U.S. dog population.


In the United States, pit bulls are by far the most violent breed year after year. Initially bred for bull and bear baiting (wherein animals would be torn apart by dogs for the entertainment of onlookers), a practice so vile that even the 1500s English wanted nothing to do with it and banned the practice, pit bulls have since been bred specifically for the purpose of dogfighting and many cruel Americans continue to breed and train dogs to force them to fight eachother to the death.

Oftentimes, violent pitbulls may lash out and maul unsuspecting owners, animals, or strangers; In the latter cases, particularly sociopathic owners may even blame the mauled animal and its owner, and actively try to secure the release of dangerous pit bulls back into the community to harm more pets/people. For example a pit bull in South Africa ripped a man's poodle apart in front of him, and when he attacked the vicious animal with a knife he was arrested for animal cruelty. In another case, a pit bull killed a yorkie and was shot by the yorkie's owner, and the pit bull owner blamed the yorkie owner for the self-defense shooting. A Pomeranian was chased down by a pit bull and killed in its own home, and afterwards the pit bull's owners campaigned to have the vicious, dangerous animal not be put down, though BBCode's inconsistent and bizarre programming quirks make it impossible to link the story, here it is in code.
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Though some other dogs like Chihuahuas have aggressive tendencies, the pit bull combines these with what can only be described as an incredible capacity for dealing damage.
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If you think this is an issue only affecting people who own pit bulls, think again. People are not even safe in their own homes:

Besides the problem of breed violence, shelters continue to adopt out dogs that are individually proven to be violent.
https://www.ldnews.com/story/news/local/2018/10/11/humane-society-lebanon-county-adopted-out-unsafe-and-diseased-animals-parvo-pan-leuk/1570563002/ / http://naiaonline.org/blog/shelter-rescue/adopting-out-dangerous-dogs-common-sense-shouldnt-be-uncommon/#.XSWnxq_QjyQ / https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/pets/dr-fox/some-no-kill-shelters-adopting-out-dangerous-dogs/article_e4c83b38-73d5-5dd0-8459-7102e166afee.html

Shelters destroying dangerous dogs rather than placing unsuspecting families at risk is something we should all be able to agree on regardless of position on pit bulls. Unfortunately it seems that many shelters, "humane societies" and "animal rights activists" (not in favor of the rights of all the pets ripped apart by dangerous dogs that should never have been re-homed apparently) refuse to concede even basic common sense measures like this.



Many countries have levied breed specific legislation on pit bulls, ranging from import ban, to requiring the dogs be sold only to people who can prove they will keep the dog secure both at home (with proper fences/walls) and outside (muzzle, leash laws while walking), to requiring all the dogs be spayed and neutered and banning their import; In some countries and locales, like Ecuador, extreme BSL can simply criminalize the ownership of a dog breed outright.

So NSG, I propose the question to you:
What should we do about pit bull violence, and dog violence in general (which is disproportionately and overwhelmingly represented by pit bulls)?
More specifically:
  • What actions should be taken against owners of vicious dogs who bring harm to humans, pets, livestock, or property
  • What action should be taken against shelters that re-home dangerous dogs?
  • What should be done with vicious animals proven to be violent against other pets or people?
  • Should breed-specific legislation restrict who can/can't own pit bulls?
  • Should breed-specific legislation restrict who can/can't own other dog breeds?
  • Should the federal government pass laws to prevent breed-specific legislation from being enacted by city governments?


In my opinion, we should take more action against shelters adopting out violent dogs of any breed, and hold owners liable for damage done by their dogs. While I don't think pit bulls should be banned, they are a dangerous breed with a clearly established pattern of violence towards other animals and people, their owners need to take more precautions than owners of most other dog breeds in making sure their dogs cannot harm others. IE: in considering criminal charges, a person having a four foot-high fence to keep his dachshund in would be much less negligent than someone with a four foot-high fence to keep a pit bull in.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:31 am

I blame owners rather than dogs, all the pit bulls I have met have been very sweet natured. It varies over time depending on what breed of dog is popular with bad owners at the time. When the film Cujo came out, Saint Bernards were the most likely dog to attack people, because they had become popular with the kind of people who train their dogs to be aggressive.
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:34 am

Ugh, has anti-pit bull bias spread to NSG now? No thanks. Next thread.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:36 am

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Postby Gormwood » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:39 am

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Postby Christ Triumphant » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:45 am

Those stories are dated all over the last decade. You make it sound like this was a sudden rash of dog attacks.

Nevertheless, I would support some sort of licensing program for a prospective owner of any dog, as people have proven time and again that they are not suited to even properly care for a dog...

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Nah, everyone here has Staffies (so do we) and there's no fear epidemic over staffies that I know of.

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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:52 am

People who want to ban pit bulls should be banned from owning pets.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:54 am



One of the most stupid unenforceable pieces of knee jerk legislation ever.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:01 am

No it isn't time, never has and never should be.
I remember as a kid my home town wanted to ban Doberman Pinscher because of a few of them decided to bite someone. This latest thing is no different, it's stupid.
My uncle has a Pit Bull and that dog is the biggest pussy in the dog world, now my uncle's lil shit stain, toenail trimmer of a rat looking dog, that lil bastard would be most likely to bite.
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:07 am

I've been saying this for quite a long while. Only I'd green light making the breed as a whole extinct, or short of this- confined to very limited contexts such as only the military or security industries handling these dogs which are optimized for attacking prey.

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Postby San Carlos Islands » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:14 am

Yes I'm all for it. However a certain percentage of Pit bull blood should be regulated. I have a dog that's maybe 25% to 50% Pit bull and the rest Terrier, but she has none of the really aggressive traits.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:19 am

Punishing a breed of dogs for the sins of man. If pit bulls are banned, assholes will simply move on to another breed to raise as attack animals, which then gets banned and the dominoes keep tumbling until people are seriously calling for corgis and chihuahuas to be banned.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:19 am

You know why pitbulls tend to be responsible for more attacks? Because their owners raise them to act that way. Most pitbulls I've met were very nice dogs like any other dog. Once again the actions of a few bad apples are blamed on a whole breed of pooches who didn't even choose to be pitbulls. They just were born pitbulls. So no, it isn't time to ban any dog, because no entire breed should be blamed for dog attacks, which happen in all breeds and are really based on how the owner raises their dog
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:20 am

San Carlos Islands wrote:Yes I'm all for it. However a certain percentage of Pit bull blood should be regulated. I have a dog that's maybe 25% to 50% Pit bull and the rest Terrier, but she has none of the really aggressive traits.


So your dog shouldn't be banned, just everyone elses.
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Postby Zurkerx » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:22 am

Is this honestly a serious question? Should Pit Bulls be banned? Umm, no to both accounts.
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Postby San Carlos Islands » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:23 am

Gormwood wrote:Punishing a breed of dogs for the sins of man. If pit bulls are banned, assholes will simply move on to another breed to raise as attack animals, which then gets banned and the dominoes keep tumbling until people are seriously calling for corgis and chihuahuas to be banned.

That's illogical considering breeds such as German Shepards and Belgian Malinois who have been raised by Police and Military in some circumstances as attack dogs, are not nearly as violent.
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Postby San Carlos Islands » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:25 am

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San Carlos Islands wrote:Yes I'm all for it. However a certain percentage of Pit bull blood should be regulated. I have a dog that's maybe 25% to 50% Pit bull and the rest Terrier, but she has none of the really aggressive traits.


So your dog shouldn't be banned, just everyone elses.

That's not what I'm saying. What I'm arguing is that the negative traits seem to be breeded out when you make "Pit Bull Mutts".
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Postby Caracasus » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:28 am

Rojava Free State wrote:You know why pitbulls tend to be responsible for more attacks? Because their owners raise them to act that way. Most pitbulls I've met were very nice dogs like any other dog. Once again the actions of a few bad apples are blamed on a whole breed of pooches who didn't even choose to be pitbulls. They just were born pitbulls. So no, it isn't time to ban any dog, because no entire breed should be blamed for dog attacks, which happen in all breeds and are really based on how the owner raises their dog


Pretty much yeah. When I was a kid it was alsations. Had the absolute worst rep as dangerous, evil dogs second only to hellhounds.

It was bollocks then and it's bollocks now. Barring a few outliers, dogs are like people. Their environment tends to shape their personality.

As you said, if pitbulls were outlawed, people who wanted aggressive dogs would soon find another breed.
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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:30 am

San Carlos Islands wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
So your dog shouldn't be banned, just everyone elses.

That's not what I'm saying. What I'm arguing is that the negative traits seem to be breeded out when you make "Pit Bull Mutts".

If you want a stupid thing done that won't do anything but punish a dog because of prejudices then you've got to go all out. All dogs are banned.
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:31 am

Pitbulls should be watched by a responsible and a good-reputation owner. Pitbulls may cause accidents, but they’re supposed not to because they should be watched by a good owner. Banning pitbulls is unnecessarily far.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:40 am

Replace the word "pitbull" with "African Americans" and we can see how asinine this argument is.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:44 am

San Carlos Islands wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Punishing a breed of dogs for the sins of man. If pit bulls are banned, assholes will simply move on to another breed to raise as attack animals, which then gets banned and the dominoes keep tumbling until people are seriously calling for corgis and chihuahuas to be banned.

That's illogical considering breeds such as German Shepards and Belgian Malinois who have been raised by Police and Military in some circumstances as attack dogs, are not nearly as violent.


They're trained as attack dogs by police and the army, whereas pits are trained by some dude in East Oakland to dog fight. Professional attack dog vs unprofessional aggressive animal.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:44 am

Costa Fierro wrote:Replace the word "pitbull" with "African Americans" and we can see how asinine this argument is.


Careful, you may attract some alt righters to our location, and I did by the way notice that but didn't wanna be the one to tear the overton window open
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