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Your ideology

Marxism-Leninism
19
15%
some kind of state Socialist
14
11%
Reactionary( Traditionalist)
10
8%
Fascist
17
14%
third Positionist( National Bolshevism, Strasserism or a similar ideology)
18
15%
Religious Fundamentalist
5
4%
Absolute Monarchist
11
9%
Other(Explain)
30
24%
 
Total votes : 124

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Authoritarian Discussion thread

Postby Communal concils » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:01 pm

When ever I look at the Libertarian Discussion thread, I always thought that there needed to be an opposite.
Anyways, this place is a safe space. A place in which the anti-liberals, anti-anarchist and anti-Libertarians go.
You shall discuss about everything that has to do with authoritarianism.

Definition of authoritarianism :an Ideology that advocates for strong central power and limited political freedoms.
What to talk about in this thread
1. Political ideologies in that Category

2. the importance or "uselessness" of authority.

3. hierarchy.

4. authoritarian points of view that any of you have.

5. what ever the opposition has to say.

The only other thing I want on this thread is mass participation, get involve. say your opinions.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:25 pm

Communal concils wrote:Anyways, this place is a safe space.


Communal concils wrote:5. what ever the opposition has to say.


Communal concils wrote:say your opinions.


Hilarious ways to start your very on-point satirical thread. I say, 9/10 points for your humorous mockery of authoritarianism.

Really, the day authoritarians get a safe space is the day I'm moving to Antarctica.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:27 pm

I thought the Right Wing Discussion thread was the authoritarian one.

It's quite devoid of right wing liberals and such :(
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Postby Communal concils » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:29 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Communal concils wrote:Anyways, this place is a safe space.


Communal concils wrote:5. what ever the opposition has to say.


Communal concils wrote:say your opinions.


Hilarious ways to start your very on-point satirical thread. I say, 9/10 points for your humorous mockery of authoritarianism.

Really, the day authoritarians get a safe space is the day I'm moving to Antarctica.



well, I am being both comedic and serious. I would actually like a thread in which to discuss about authoritarianism. Honestly, I am one myself.
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Postby Communal concils » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:30 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:I thought the Right Wing Discussion thread was the authoritarian one.

It's quite devoid of right wing liberals and such :(



well, the Libertarian discussion thread was filled with people like you .
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Become woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:30 pm

Communal concils wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:




Hilarious ways to start your very on-point satirical thread. I say, 9/10 points for your humorous mockery of authoritarianism.

Really, the day authoritarians get a safe space is the day I'm moving to Antarctica.



well, I am being both comedic and serious. I would actually like a thread in which to discuss about authoritarianism. Honestly, I am one myself.

Owwww, it was not sarcasm? Not a quick-witted satirical spoof?

Ow.....

Owwwww......
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:33 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:I thought the Right Wing Discussion thread was the authoritarian one.

It's quite devoid of right wing liberals and such :(


Not even. Xeno and a few others are active in RWDT regularly.

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Postby Fascist Soyouso » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:34 pm

I'm not opposed to the idea of this thread bein' a thing, but I have a feeling it's not gonna last very long. I feel like some random noobs are gonna start circlejerking about their desire to commit genocide and eventually get it locked. Not to jinx it but I just have that strong gut feeling.
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Postby Communal concils » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:34 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

well, I am being both comedic and serious. I would actually like a thread in which to discuss about authoritarianism. Honestly, I am one myself.

Owwww, it was not sarcasm? Not a quick-witted satirical spoof?

Ow.....

Owwwww......



why is it bad ?
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Postby Communal concils » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:35 pm

Fascist Soyouso wrote:I'm not opposed to the idea of this thread bein' a thing, but I have a feeling it's not gonna last very long. I feel like some random noobs are gonna start circlejerking about their desire to commit genocide and eventually get it locked. Not to jinx it but I just have that strong gut feeling.



I'll just use the iron Fist of the website to bring order.
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Become woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:37 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:I thought the Right Wing Discussion thread was the authoritarian one.

It's quite devoid of right wing liberals and such :(


Not even. Xeno and a few others are active in RWDT regularly.


Xeno?
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:38 pm

Communal concils wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Owwww, it was not sarcasm? Not a quick-witted satirical spoof?

Ow.....

Owwwww......



why is it bad ?

If you request and use your free speech rights given to you by a form of society you fundamentally disagree with for granting those rights, you have lost all credibility in my eyes.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:38 pm

Communal concils wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:I thought the Right Wing Discussion thread was the authoritarian one.

It's quite devoid of right wing liberals and such :(



well, the Libertarian discussion thread was filled with people like you .


I'm not Libertarian. I mean, when it comes to non economics, I'm great with that crowd. With economics, I'm quite centrist (according to the compass).
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Postby Communal concils » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:39 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:I thought the Right Wing Discussion thread was the authoritarian one.

It's quite devoid of right wing liberals and such :(


Not even. Xeno and a few others are active in RWDT regularly.



The Right-wing discussion thread has a nice amount of libertarians to debate with, so it is not Authoritarian. The Left-wing discussion thread is filled with anarchist and "Libertarian" Socialist.

What if they have a monopoly .
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Postby Fascist Soyouso » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:39 pm

Communal concils wrote:
Fascist Soyouso wrote:I'm not opposed to the idea of this thread bein' a thing, but I have a feeling it's not gonna last very long. I feel like some random noobs are gonna start circlejerking about their desire to commit genocide and eventually get it locked. Not to jinx it but I just have that strong gut feeling.



I'll just use the iron Fist of the website to bring order.

The what?
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Postby Communal concils » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:40 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Not even. Xeno and a few others are active in RWDT regularly.


Xeno?



That is one of the well know Libertarians on here.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:41 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Not even. Xeno and a few others are active in RWDT regularly.


Xeno?


Xenopolis, he's a hardcore right-libertarian, and Conserative Morality is the resident neo-liberal who also hangs out in RWDT.

Really the thread has a wonderful amount of ideological diversity. Liberals/libertarians, monarchists, religious conservatives, third positionists etc.

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Postby Communal concils » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:41 pm

Fascist Soyouso wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

I'll just use the iron Fist of the website to bring order.

The what?



Moderation.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:42 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Xeno?


Xenopolis, he's a hardcore right-libertarian, and Conserative Morality is the resident neo-liberal who also hangs out in RWDT.

Really the thread has a wonderful amount of ideological diversity. Liberals/libertarians, monarchists, religious conservatives, third positionists etc.


Last time I checked it, it was full of conservative authoritarians :blush:

I'll take another look at some point then.
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Postby Iciaros » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:43 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

why is it bad ?

If you request and use your free speech rights given to you by a form of society you fundamentally disagree with for granting those rights, you have lost all credibility in my eyes.


To be absolutely fair, I'd imagine that not all authoritarians advocate for total or functionally total deprivation of free speech rights. I won't pretend to know what Communal concils believes in, but maybe it's a form of government that allows enough free speech to discuss philosophies of governance, at least to a limited extent.
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Postby Communal concils » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:47 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

why is it bad ?

If you request and use your free speech rights given to you by a form of society you fundamentally disagree with for granting those rights, you have lost all credibility in my eyes.



well, I don't find free speech as a bad thing. It is the best tool use to increase popularity of the beliefs. If you use the correct rhetoric and the best tactics. Honestly the argument you use can be use for other societies.

In slave societies, a slave can be given food and water( just enough to live. sometimes pampered). However, they will suffer under the rule of their master. " How dare the slave rise up in opposition to their masters. We give them free food and water,and now they don't want this freedom", that is what lot's of slave master in the south use to say . opposition to the perceived right of a society suddenly makes your views illegitimate., that is what you are saying.
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Postby Communal concils » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:50 pm

Iciaros wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:If you request and use your free speech rights given to you by a form of society you fundamentally disagree with for granting those rights, you have lost all credibility in my eyes.


To be absolutely fair, I'd imagine that not all authoritarians advocate for total or functionally total deprivation of free speech rights. I won't pretend to know what Communal concils believes in, but maybe it's a form of government that allows enough free speech to discuss philosophies of governance, at least to a limited extent.


Your correct. I want people to have the autonomy for what they need, but not the autonomy that they don't need. In fact, I want a society that seeks good ideals. I want people to discuss views, and weed out supposedly bad ones. that is why I think ideals like the "Big tent political parties" are a good thing.
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List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addcited to this)

Become woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:50 pm

Communal concils wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:If you request and use your free speech rights given to you by a form of society you fundamentally disagree with for granting those rights, you have lost all credibility in my eyes.



well, I don't find free speech as a bad thing. It is the best tool use to increase popularity of the beliefs. If you use the correct rhetoric and the best tactics. Honestly the argument you use can be use for other societies.

In slave societies, a slave can be given food and water( just enough to live. sometimes pampered). However, they will suffer under the rule of their master. " How dare the slave rise up in opposition to their masters. We give them free food and water,and now they don't want this freedom", that is what lot's of slave master in the south use to say . opposition to the perceived right of a society suddenly makes your views illegitimate., that is what you are saying.

No, see here's the difference: Food and water are not antithetical to the beliefs held by enslaved people. On the contrary, those enslaved people wanted to have the freedom to choose their own food and water. However, free speech is antithetical to the belief of many authoritarians.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:57 pm

Communal concils wrote:
Iciaros wrote:
To be absolutely fair, I'd imagine that not all authoritarians advocate for total or functionally total deprivation of free speech rights. I won't pretend to know what Communal concils believes in, but maybe it's a form of government that allows enough free speech to discuss philosophies of governance, at least to a limited extent.


Your correct. I want people to have the autonomy for what they need, but not the autonomy that they don't need. In fact, I want a society that seeks good ideals. I want people to discuss views, and weed out supposedly bad ones. that is why I think ideals like the "Big tent political parties" are a good thing.

Authoritarianism is a bad view.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:58 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Communal concils wrote:
Your correct. I want people to have the autonomy for what they need, but not the autonomy that they don't need. In fact, I want a society that seeks good ideals. I want people to discuss views, and weed out supposedly bad ones. that is why I think ideals like the "Big tent political parties" are a good thing.

Authoritarianism is a bad view.


Not inherently, especially when the opposite view ruins everything.

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