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China Separating Kids from their Parents

Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:55 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-48825090

China is deliberately separating Muslim children from their families, faith and language in its far western region of Xinjiang, according to new research.

At the same time as hundreds of thousands of adults are being detained in giant camps, a rapid, large-scale campaign to build boarding schools is under way.

Based on publicly available documents, and backed up by dozens of interviews with family members overseas, the BBC has gathered some of the most comprehensive evidence to date about what is happening to children in the region.

Records show that in one township alone more than 400 children have lost not just one but both parents to some form of internment, either in the camps or in prison.

Formal assessments are carried out to determine whether the children are in need of "centralised care".

Alongside the efforts to transform the identity of Xinjiang's adults, the evidence points to a parallel campaign to systematically remove children from their roots.


This kind of thing is really not acceptable. The idea of forceably separating parents and children has no place in a modern country and steps should be taken to end the practice.

What do y'all think NSG? Is China right in what they're doing? After all, these Muslims are breaking with Chinese traditional norms, to the point of breaking the law under state imposed atheism.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:57 pm

That is grotesque. Unfortunately, a country with only one party has little hope of change.
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Postby Grosserdeutsches Reich » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:00 pm

Though I support action against Muslims, this is not the kind I'd support. This is simply disgusting and unethical. But hey, China is a commie state, they've done far worse in the past
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Postby GrEaT ALgErStOnIa » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:00 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-48825090

China is deliberately separating Muslim children from their families, faith and language in its far western region of Xinjiang, according to new research.

At the same time as hundreds of thousands of adults are being detained in giant camps, a rapid, large-scale campaign to build boarding schools is under way.

Based on publicly available documents, and backed up by dozens of interviews with family members overseas, the BBC has gathered some of the most comprehensive evidence to date about what is happening to children in the region.

Records show that in one township alone more than 400 children have lost not just one but both parents to some form of internment, either in the camps or in prison.

Formal assessments are carried out to determine whether the children are in need of "centralised care".

Alongside the efforts to transform the identity of Xinjiang's adults, the evidence points to a parallel campaign to systematically remove children from their roots.


This kind of thing is really not acceptable. The idea of forceably separating parents and children has no place in a modern country and steps should be taken to end the practice.

What do y'all think NSG? Is China right in what they're doing? After all, these Muslims are breaking with Chinese traditional norms, to the point of breaking the law under state imposed atheism.

What a terrible practice by the Chinese government. But then again, shouldn’t really expect much less from a regime created by mass slaughter.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:02 pm

Grosserdeutsches Reich wrote:Though I support action against Muslims, this is not the kind I'd support. This is simply disgusting and unethical. But hey, China is a commie state, they've done far worse in the past

What would you support?
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Postby Grosserdeutsches Reich » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:03 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Grosserdeutsches Reich wrote:Though I support action against Muslims, this is not the kind I'd support. This is simply disgusting and unethical. But hey, China is a commie state, they've done far worse in the past

What would you support?

Forced conversion, denial of religious services, deportation to Muslim-majority countries.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:05 pm

Grosserdeutsches Reich wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:What would you support?

Forced conversion, denial of religious services, deportation to Muslim-majority countries.


Yeaahhhh....we don't do that kind of thing here. Maybe Stormfront would be more to your liking?

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Postby Andsed » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:05 pm

That is disgusting. Really no other way to put it.

Grosserdeutsches Reich wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:What would you support?

Forced conversion, denial of religious services, deportation to Muslim-majority countries.

All of that is also fucking messed up.
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Postby Grosserdeutsches Reich » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:07 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Grosserdeutsches Reich wrote:Forced conversion, denial of religious services, deportation to Muslim-majority countries.


Yeaahhhh....we don't do that kind of thing here. Maybe Stormfront would be more to your liking?

I'm sorry, but who're you to decide?

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Postby EastKekistan » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:07 pm

Xi is insane.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:08 pm

May Allah SWT destroy China if it doesn't reform itself, aameen.
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Postby Emenamai » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:08 pm

Of course it's wrong.

I hoestly don't see how breaking with chinese norms of state atheism is any excuse. In fact, that makes it even worse in my opinion. freedom of religion is a basic human right.

Although this is mostly just my opinion as an atheist, I think secularism would actually be a better benefit to atheism globally than state enforced atheism, as atheism is based on the very idea of questioning tradition, which requires the freedom of expression to question. Without it, it only leads to a conflict between theists and atheists that just ends up harming people.

Of cource, the ccp isn't focus on atheism as a form of free thought, but rather as a step towards communism (which, if you noticed the suicide nets around privately owned factories, is basically failing and just turning to state capitalism.)

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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:09 pm

EastKekistan wrote:Xi is insane.

You think?
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Postby EastKekistan » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:10 pm

Kowani wrote:
EastKekistan wrote:Xi is insane.

You think?

I left China during early Xi rule. He just gets crazier over time.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:15 pm

They've violated ethnic and religious minorities' rights for decades, this is anything but surprising. Nothing will be done because the international community is too cowardly to confront them over this. It's partly understandable because they're a superpower, but doesn't excuse the outrage and then forgetfulness.
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No, that's stupid. If we punished entire countries because of the actions of their government, then there'd be no countries at all.
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Postby Necroghastia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:17 pm

The UN's Convention of the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines it as such:

Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.


Well then. Hopefully something will come of this from the international community.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:18 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:They've violated ethnic and religious minorities' rights for decades, this is anything but surprising. Nothing will be done because the international community is too cowardly to confront them over this. It's partly understandable because they're a superpower, but doesn't excuse the outrage and then forgetfulness.
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I didn't say anything about "we".
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:18 pm

Fuck the Chinese government tbqh, its fucking reign of terror needs to be ended, one way or another. I fucking wish the world would step the hell up and do something about this shit.
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Postby Ninrasia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:25 pm

A radical proposal I'm sure but can Euroamerican media fix what's happening in their own backyard before projecting what they're doing daily on a sufficiently racially stereotyped bogeyman?
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:28 pm

Ninrasia wrote:A radical proposal I'm sure but can Euroamerican media fix what's happening in their own backyard before projecting what they're doing daily on a sufficiently racially stereotyped bogeyman?

In case you haven’t noticed, there are protests against the border camps almost daily.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:31 pm

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:What would you support?

Forced conversion, denial of religious services, deportation to Muslim-majority countries.

They're forcibly converting the children after separating them from their families so you should be supporting this.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:36 pm

May Allah be with them. Ameen.

What China does is abhorrent.
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Postby Ninrasia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:36 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ninrasia wrote:A radical proposal I'm sure but can Euroamerican media fix what's happening in their own backyard before projecting what they're doing daily on a sufficiently racially stereotyped bogeyman?

In case you haven’t noticed, there are protests against the border camps almost daily.


And almost zero effective legislative or executive action. Even the supposedly "anti-camp" legislators voted to expand ICE funding. Western media doesn't get to project what they do every single day on racially stereotyped third world countries because of some arbitrary "authoritarian" designation.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:37 pm

Grosserdeutsches Reich wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:What would you support?

Forced conversion, denial of religious services, deportation to Muslim-majority countries.

And if there are converts like me, then what? What if I refuse to renounce my faith?
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