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What would you end a friendship for?

Postby Hirota » Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:55 am

With thanks to Blaat for coming up with the idea

I also found it an interesting idea to explore, so in order to write something approaching a decent opening post, I went looking for inspiration on a dull Wednesday evening in front of the laptop. I ended up skimming through the "Laelius De Amicitia" written by Cicero around 44BC (because why not skim Roman philosophical texts right?!). You can find the whole thing here, but it's a long read. It's a dramatic account of Caius Laelius Sapiens talking of his life-long friendship to Scipio Africanus the Elder, roughly 120 years previously. I'll probably give it a proper read soon.

Anyhoo, Cicero generally talks about friendship in terms of it being a shared experience where both gain from one another, and share burdens. It's almost a symbiotic relationship.

I can get onboard with that as an idea, and it implies that a friendship which doesn't experience that equality of benefit isn't really a friendship.

That being the case I'd argue that I would end a friendship if I determined the friendship is inequal in benefit. I'd like to think I would do it if I was the one gaining more, but I'm honest enough to suspect I probably wouldn't.

But there are probably other reasons too. Politics, and religion tend to strain friendships. Maybe that is good enough reason for you?

So dear unwashed masses of NSG, go forth and discuss.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:14 am

Well, apart from personal reasons (them sending ugly private messages to me for example).

There are a few political ones.

Holocaust denial. Anti-vaxxers (for safety reasons, friends of mine have kids). Probably a few others.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:34 am

Holocaust denial, domestic violence, rape, stealing from me, generally not being trustworthy.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:37 am

Being too Liberal.
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Postby Fredon Columbia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:37 am

To speak to the equality of benefit idea, I don't think that's a totally fair measurement. What if the person is incapable of giving all the same benefits you do, but you're okay with helping them out? I think that's as genuine of a friendship as any other, and the equality of benefits/burdens are secondary to the authenticity of the friendship. Sure, if it burdens me too much I would most likely end it but if i'm giving a little more than i'm getting I wouldn't drop him/her because of it; you can't really split everything 50/50 in life.

Anyways, a myriad of reasons could spell an end to a friendship for me, and they have. I am politically opinionated but i have no problem being friends with those who disagree, in fact my best friend has some disagreements with me, but if it's at the point that I cannot bring up certain topics for fear of provoking their ire (as it happened with a close childhood friend of mine), I don't think that friendship is on a good foundation to begin with and I generally distance myself from them. Politics isn't really a problem in itself, it's intolerance. If they disagree that's okay, and if they are willing to tolerate my opinions as I am theirs, then we have no problem. Unfortunately it hasn't always shaped up that way in my personal experience.

Sure something like holocaust denial or violent extremist rhetoric are no-noes for me, but I haven't really experienced anyone along those lines so it's all hypothetical. Also personal reasons like them just being a generally unpleasant person are all reasons to rethink a friendship.

EDIT: I forgot to mention religion, but that ties into tolerance of views. They can disagree with me about my faith, and i'm happy to debate the merits and ideas of it, but if they just keep insulting it i'm probably not gonna stick around much.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:29 am

If my friend starts getting preachy about a religion or gets into some kind of religious cult, the friendship is instantly over. People like JW have an obligation to recruit you and I have no patience for that shit. The same goes for extreme political ideologies, which also operate like religions more often than not. Thankfully, I never had to deal with something like that, at least not yet.

I am fine with friends having different political opinions and liking different things. If anything, the contrast makes the friendship better. But having to drag a friend from this kind of pit is something I can't do.

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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:32 am

I’d end a friendship if a Friend does not have a sense of morality and decency, absolutely no respect to some ideologies and groups (not the absurd and rude ones), despise the religious or political beliefs of others and forces his/her friends their ideologies down their throats.
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Postby Ghost Land » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:38 am

Basically, to me a friendship is over by definition if I am generally unhappy when I interact with said person or they are a net negative in my life. People who become too preachy about religion or politics are likely to lose favour with me fast, eventually leading to a cessation of the friendship, in addition to the ones who are always "too busy" when I have evidence (conversations with third parties, social media posts, etc.) that they weren't really "busy", just hanging out with other friends and refuse to make time for me. That one happened a LOT growing up especially. I'm also not going to tolerate being used, nor am I going to continue to be in a relationship of any sort without a future (existing friends are out of town for the week, and I'm being used for companionship in the meantime, but will be blown off when said friends get back).

In high school, various "friends" would always at the end of the school year tell me "we should hang out sometime", but offer no contact information (no phone number, e-mail address, etc.), so the entire summer my inbox would be empty and the phone would be called only by family, telemarketers, politicians, pharmacy robo-calls, and stuff for my mom's job. It wasn't until 11th grade that someone actually gave me her phone number (though in 8th grade I told a girl my number was 867-5309, and clearly not getting the reference, she believed it!).
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Postby Rojava Free State » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:04 am

Gather around kids cause I've got a story for you about what ended not one but two friendships I had

Back in 2018 a friend of mine named Dante started losing his mind after his mom died. My guy started threatening anyone who remotely insulted him and claimed he was selling drugs, and one day me and him had a flashpoint when he hit on my girlfriend and she told him to fuck off. He then began going online and saying all kinds of NSFW crap about her so I replied to one of his posts by calling him a fake wayne Brady looking fake gangster wannabe. He flipped out and began threatening to kill me and I think the thing that angered him even more was when I said "I know you won't do anything." He then went to the new low of threatening to literally bomb my parents and while I knew he couldnt/ wouldn't do anything, it's the thought that counts.

Needless to say, while most people I knew backed me up, one guy in particular kept trying to pretend he was being neutral. in reality this cockroach, I mean person, was secretly hanging out with this other guy dante who threatened to take out my parents, and it was pretty evident in my eyes whose side he was really on. Anytime I would bring up facts as to what dante was doing he would either demand proof (because apparently 20 people seeing him threaten someone isn't enough proof that he's lost ir) is he would deflect by bringing up moments of mine from high school that weren't my best, as if that somehow lessened the severity of someone threatening me and my family.

In the end, the breaking point came when ignore friend Tyler wanted to get a job at kohls, where I worked at the time. He told this other dude that he asked me to recommend him to my boss and this pest's reply was "don't do that, they probably are annoyed by him." When I heard he was badmouthing me behind my back, I texted him and told him he wasn't welcomed at my house anymore and that I was never talking to him again, and ended the conversation with more expletives than a sailor could handle.

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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:10 am

Apostasy.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:11 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:Well, apart from personal reasons (them sending ugly private messages to me for example).

There are a few political ones.

Holocaust denial. Anti-vaxxers (for safety reasons, friends of mine have kids). Probably a few others.


If you think about it antivaxxers are basically slow motion Less dramatic suicide bombers.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:11 am

Being a cunt, constant racism or sexism, constantly lying, anti vaccinations (especially if i ever end up having kids), constantly trying to manipulate me or mislead me (why i cut off all contact with my cousin and his family) some other stuff

Some political/ideological stuff: Being a nazi, trying to force your religion on me or constantly badgering me over it, if someone is a hard core conservative we might end up parting ways,
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Postby Valentine Z » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:15 am

Going against my moral values that I hold myself sacred - kindness, compassion, etc.

Of course, I don't usually just end it on the dot like that, but if I see someone or a friend I know being hostile to servers, bus captains, taxi drivers, etc, for absolutely no bloody reason, I would make a mental note to keep tabs and kinda stray away a little from that friend.

Fortunately, I don't have someone like that as of yet.

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Oh and also being an anti-vaxxer is an automatic unfriending, unless I have the patience to guide them back into being a pro-vaxxer, or that they are not an anti-vaxxer deep down and they just need guidance.

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Politically, I don't mind if someone is left-wing, right-wing, or whatever else, or whatever religion they follow; my only concern and problem begins when that friend of mine is either in a rather extreme political spectrum, or constantly gets into trouble with heated debates / name calling / trolling others to get their points across.

Again, I don't have someone like that as of yet.
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:17 am

Valentine Z wrote:Going against my moral values that I hold myself sacred - kindness, compassion, etc.

Of course, I don't usually just end it on the dot like that, but if I see someone or a friend I know being hostile to servers, bus captains, taxi drivers, etc, for absolutely no bloody reason, I would make a mental note to keep tabs and kinda stray away a little from that friend.

Fortunately, I don't have someone like that as of yet.

It seems we have a similar solution to such kinds of ‘friends.’ My ‘friend’ is infamous for doing shameful acts to others in public, including me, and creating public nuisance. I create a note to stay away.

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Postby Earthbound Immortal Squad » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:29 am

-Anyone who shows no consideration for others or their surroundings (probably the biggest one for me)
-Anyone who tries to use me
-Anyone who resorts to slandering to promote an argument
-Anyone who holds any racists views on any level
-Anyone who tries to forcibly tries impose their views upon me repetitively
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Postby Diopolis » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:42 am

Slander, rape, theft. Possibly certain extreme left wing things, but I've never actually run into one, so I'd assume they're not that common.
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Postby Heloin » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:46 am

Someone not liking pizza.

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Postby Valentine Z » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:46 am

Heloin wrote:Someone not liking pizza.


Or cats. I mean, I don't mind someone who prefers dogs or other pets, but don't diss on the Meows. :3
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:47 am

Excessive hostility or duplicity towards me, and hurting people dear to me. Beyond that I'd probably be fairly lax out of a desperation to keep any human foolish enough to put up with me.
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Generally being a shitty human being.
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Postby Swindenland » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:10 am

I don't think you can put a deontological rule for which you would end an friendship or at least it does not seem right to me.

I believe context is everything, and as long as there is trust between two people and mutual good intent, the friendship will continue to last.
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Postby Heloin » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:11 am

Valentine Z wrote:
Heloin wrote:Someone not liking pizza.


Or cats. I mean, I don't mind someone who prefers dogs or other pets, but don't diss on the Meows. :3

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Postby Phoenicaea » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:20 am

Al Mumtahanah wrote:Apostasy.
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I no longer enjoy their company
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