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Is communism behind radical Islam?

Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:06 pm

So let me explain. You might be thinking "Have you gone insane? Is this another topic that's gonna get locked?"
but notice how the Middle East became increasingly unstable in the Cold War? Also note the USSR spent a higher budget on foreign intervention? And they likely gave money to terrorists who still operate against the West right now?

If I'm taking it too far, I'll slow this down. Basically, the USSR and PRC have invested in all out secret and indirect warfare against NATO. This includes terrorism. Terrorism didn't happen much from Muslims before the commies set up puppet governments in Arab and African countries, and religion can rouse extremism. Using Islam as a recruiting method, the Soviets could get several terrorist groups started.

I believe this tactic was first used when the communists realized they were losing to General Reagan and freedom was near. Gorbachev expanded the budget so he could fund radicals who later started al quadi, ISIS, and the Taliban. But the socialists had been encouraging extremism before hand, creating Bathism and sympathetic states. Expoliting poverty, they dumped money on countries that were likely to host terror groups.

What is your opinion? Do you think this is real? Do the ghosts of the Soviet Union still haunt us?
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Postby Onitsha Empire » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:08 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:So let me explain. You might be thinking "Have you gone insane? Is this another topic that's gonna get locked?"
but notice how the Middle East became increasingly unstable in the Cold War? Also note the USSR spent a higher budget on foreign intervention? And they likely gave money to terrorists who still operate against the West right now?

If I'm taking it too far, I'll slow this down. Basically, the USSR and PRC have invested in all out secret and indirect warfare against NATO. This includes terrorism. Terrorism didn't happen much from Muslims before the commies set up puppet governments in Arab and African countries, and religion can rouse extremism. Using Islam as a recruiting method, the Soviets could get several terrorist groups started.

I believe this tactic was first used when the communists realized they were losing to General Reagan and freedom was near. Gorbachev expanded the budget so he could fund radicals who later started al quadi, ISIS, and the Taliban. But the socialists had been encouraging extremism before hand, creating Bathism and sympathetic states. Expoliting poverty, they dumped money on countries that were likely to host terror groups.

What is your opinion? Do you think this is real? Do the ghosts of the Soviet Union still haunt us?


Communists did not have enough asabiyyah to ignite radical Islam. Instead it is a consequence of both low status and widespread inceldom in the Muslim world.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:08 pm

No. Capitalism is behind radical Islam. Americans funded the Mujahideen and others to specifically combat Soviet influence in the Middle East. Plain and simple.

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Postby Imbalistan » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:09 pm

To me, I thought it would have been the US, since they did fund the Taliban and Al-Quida to fight the USSR.

They were the ones who ended up nuking my religions reputation.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:09 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:So let me explain. You might be thinking "Have you gone insane? Is this another topic that's gonna get locked?"
but notice how the Middle East became increasingly unstable in the Cold War? Also note the USSR spent a higher budget on foreign intervention? And they likely gave money to terrorists who still operate against the West right now?

If I'm taking it too far, I'll slow this down. Basically, the USSR and PRC have invested in all out secret and indirect warfare against NATO. This includes terrorism. Terrorism didn't happen much from Muslims before the commies set up puppet governments in Arab and African countries, and religion can rouse extremism. Using Islam as a recruiting method, the Soviets could get several terrorist groups started.

I believe this tactic was first used when the communists realized they were losing to General Reagan and freedom was near. Gorbachev expanded the budget so he could fund radicals who later started al quadi, ISIS, and the Taliban. But the socialists had been encouraging extremism before hand, creating Bathism and sympathetic states. Expoliting poverty, they dumped money on countries that were likely to host terror groups.

What is your opinion? Do you think this is real? Do the ghosts of the Soviet Union still haunt us?

Possible but lacks evidence, it's likely simply the long-term unforeseen effects of geopolitics.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:09 pm

Another non-serious thread from you. Great. :roll:
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Postby Onitsha Empire » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:10 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:No. Capitalism is behind radical Islam. Americans funded the Mujahideen and others to specifically combat Soviet influence in the Middle East. Plain and simple.

That isn't completely right either. Radical Islam is at most something Anglos supported. It is definitely impossible for Anglos to control. Hence I won't say that capitalism is behind radical Islam.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:10 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:No. Capitalism is behind radical Islam. Americans funded the Mujahideen and others to specifically combat Soviet influence in the Middle East. Plain and simple.

The dumbest thing we could have done honestly. Reagan should have let Afghanistan remain under soviet rule.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:11 pm

Thermodolia wrote: dumbest thing we could have done honestly. Reagan should have let Afghanistan remain under soviet rule.

How about no?

I don't believe in morality by hindsight in foreign policy regards.
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Postby Onitsha Empire » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:11 pm

Imbalistan wrote:To me, I thought it would have been the US, since they did fund the Taliban and Al-Quida to fight the USSR.

They were the ones who ended up nuking my religions reputation.

Uh..I would say it's the decline of social unity outside the Muslim world that causes the Muslim world to look really unusual.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:11 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:No. Capitalism is behind radical Islam. Americans funded the Mujahideen and others to specifically combat Soviet influence in the Middle East. Plain and simple.

To be fair, Bush and Obama could both be innocent or they could be
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:No. Capitalism is behind radical Islam. Americans funded the Mujahideen and others to specifically combat Soviet influence in the Middle East. Plain and simple.
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The muhadeen is a one time thing therefore it doesnt count because we killed bin laden.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:12 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Another non-serious thread from you. Great. :roll:

And your morally ambigous because you don't support this.
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The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Postby Gates of Alexander » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:13 pm

Communism is responsible, tangentially, for the rise of Islam in many places around the world. Insofar as some of those places became more radical than others, I suppose.

When the USSR fell, there was a power and ideological vacuum in much of the then-Third World. Islam was often a natural fit to fill that void. It was historically antagonistic with the West and Christendom, broadly, and so assumed that mantle which had once been taken by Global Communism.

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:15 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote: dumbest thing we could have done honestly. Reagan should have let Afghanistan remain under soviet rule.

How about no?

I don't believe in morality by hindsight in foreign policy regards.

Dude we wouldn’t have had to worry about 9/11. 10s of Thousands of Americans would still be living to this day. Some of whom where my friends
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Postby Heloin » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:15 pm

The fall of Babylon caused the rise of radical Islam.
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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Another non-serious thread from you. Great. :roll:

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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:17 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Another non-serious thread from you. Great. :roll:

...Oh.

I tried to be respectful. :p
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Postby Imbalistan » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:17 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:How about no?

I don't believe in morality by hindsight in foreign policy regards.

Dude we wouldn’t have had to worry about 9/11. 10s of Thousands of Americans would still be living to this day. Some of whom where my friends

Yet leaving Afgahnistan to the soviets would have been little better. 10's of thousands of Afghani's flew into Pakistan, and as a Pakastani, they brought 2 major things:

Heroin.
Guns.

And not to mention the US funded the Taliban, so yeah, we single handedly were responsible for our own plunder.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:19 pm

Imbalistan wrote:To me, I thought it would have been the US, since they did fund the Taliban and Al-Quida to fight the USSR.

They were the ones who ended up nuking my religions reputation.

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The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:No. Capitalism is behind radical Islam. Americans funded the Mujahideen and others to specifically combat Soviet influence in the Middle East. Plain and simple.

The dumbest thing we could have done honestly. Reagan should have let Afghanistan remain under soviet rule.

Better yet: break the deal, expand stockpile, and nuke the Afghanis.
Gates of Alexander wrote:Communism is responsible, tangentially, for the rise of Islam in many places around the world. Insofar as some of those places became more radical than others, I suppose.

When the USSR fell, there was a power and ideological vacuum in much of the then-Third World. Islam was often a natural fit to fill that void. It was historically antagonistic with the West and Christendom, broadly, and so assumed that mantle which had once been taken by Global Communism.

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Thermodolia wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:How about no?

I don't believe in morality by hindsight in foreign policy regards.

Dude we wouldn’t have had to worry about 9/11. 10s of Thousands of Americans would still be living to this day. Some of whom where my friends

George Bush didnot do 9,11 it's a fact check Google and you will see.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:20 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:How about no?

I don't believe in morality by hindsight in foreign policy regards.

Dude we wouldn’t have had to worry about 9/11. 10s of Thousands of Americans would still be living to this day. Some of whom where my friends

I understand how you feel. But millions of Afghans would have died, hundreds of thousands at least.
The USSR wasn't known for their mercy to people who opposed them.

They'd also still have won due to geopolitics and guerillas, so would not have changed much. It'd just have been even harder and much more a underdog victory.

9/11 was a great tragedy, but dooming people to an oppressive regime almost as bad as the Nazis is not the answer, there are other ways to have stopped 9/11.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:21 pm

Imbalistan wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Dude we wouldn’t have had to worry about 9/11. 10s of Thousands of Americans would still be living to this day. Some of whom where my friends

Yet leaving Afgahnistan to the soviets would have been little better. 10's of thousands of Afghani's flew into Pakistan, and as a Pakastani, they brought 2 major things:

Heroin.
Guns.

And not to mention the US funded the Taliban, so yeah, we single handedly were responsible for our own plunder.

I know. Which is why I said we should have just left Afghanistan to the Soviets
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:21 pm

Imbalistan wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Dude we wouldn’t have had to worry about 9/11. 10s of Thousands of Americans would still be living to this day. Some of whom where my friends

Yet leaving Afgahnistan to the soviets would have been little better. 10's of thousands of Afghani's flew into Pakistan, and as a Pakastani, they brought 2 major things:

Heroin.
Guns.

And not to mention the US funded the Taliban, so yeah, we single handedly were responsible for our own plunder.

RIP.

Did you guys know about Bin Lade, maybe not the government, but the people, did you guys know he was where he was?
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:25 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Dude we wouldn’t have had to worry about 9/11. 10s of Thousands of Americans would still be living to this day. Some of whom where my friends

George Bush didnot do 9,11 it's a fact check Google and you will see.

I didn’t say that though. I said if we didn’t fund the Mujahideen which eventually became AQ we wouldn’t have had 9/11 to worry about
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:29 pm

Imbalistan wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Dude we wouldn’t have had to worry about 9/11. 10s of Thousands of Americans would still be living to this day. Some of whom where my friends

Yet leaving Afgahnistan to the soviets would have been little better. 10's of thousands of Afghani's flew into Pakistan, and as a Pakastani, they brought 2 major things:

Heroin.
Guns.

And not to mention the US funded the Taliban, so yeah, we single handedly were responsible for our own plunder.

The Taliban stopped 3/4 of the world's heroin trade and cracked down on Afghani pederastry. The United States is permissive toward these things. The mistake was Bush, not Reagan.
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